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Massive Vaccine Cover-Up

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New evidence shows that members of a global vaccine committee may have been involved in a massive cover-up regarding the safety of the HPV vaccine. State-based action alerts!

Earlier this month, Cornell-trained clinical pathologist Sin Hang Lee, MD, sent an open letter to the director general of the World Health Organization, Dr. Margaret Chan, alleging that members of the Global Advisory Committee on Vaccine Safety (GACVS) are guilty of gross misconduct and criminal malfeasance in their efforts to mislead the global public on the safety of the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine.

The controversy revolves around Dr. Lee’s study finding that Gardasil (Merck’s HPV vaccine) contains HPV L1 gene DNA fragments. In a separate case study, Dr. Lee found HPV-16 L1 DNA fragments in post-mortem blood samples of a teenager who died six months after receiving three Gardasil injections. Dr. Lee hypothesizes that the HPV L1 gene DNA fragments bind to aluminum adjuvants in the vaccine and are carried through the blood stream by macrophages to the brain, causing the adverse effects many experience after receiving HPV shots. Based on this evidence, Dr. Lee called for further study of the HPV vaccines.

One would think the scientific community would take heed—especially scientists on the GACVS, who are responsible for advising the world on vaccine safety. Aluminum in vaccines is a serious issue that we’ve addressed at length in previous coverage. There are studies that have linked aluminum to all kinds of negative health effects ranging from autism to Alzheimer’s disease. Other researchers have noted that, despite eighty years of use, the safety of aluminum adjuvants rests largely on assumptions rather than experimental evidence.

Emails obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request indicate that members of GACVS saw Dr. Lee as an inconvenient adversary to their pro-vaccine agenda from the start. Note that this was all taking place before a public hearing in Japan to determine whether or not the Japanese government would recommend the vaccine to its citizens. Because there were no peer-reviewed studies refuting Dr. Lee’s claims, GACVS needed to get creative to reassure the Japanese government that the HPV vaccine was totally safe and Dr. Lee’s findings could be ignored.

GACVS did this through a presentation at the hearing and an official statement afterward. However, as Dr. Lee argues in his open letter, the official statement contains numerous—and in his view, intentional—misrepresentations of peer-reviewed science that conflate the facts in an attempt to mislead the public. Dr. Lee also alleges that members of GACVS knew that the HPV vaccine, more so than other vaccines, caused an increased inflammatory response and the release of cytokines and tumor necrosis factors (TNF)—yet still assured the public that the HPV vaccine was safe. Release of TNF can cause cell death and a wide range of inflammatory reactions—including death in some instances.

GACVS admits in its statement that it did not even review Dr. Lee’s work but claims it was reviewed by a “panel of experts.” No names are provided, nor are any further credentialing details about this “panel.”

Dr. Lee’s letter cites many more instances of GACVS scrambling to refute the science by misstating the facts and misleading the non-scientific public. Interested readers should consult Dr. Lee’s full letter for a more detailed account of this shameful, possibly criminal, manipulation of the facts.

This is only the latest cause for concern in regard to the HPV vaccine’s safety. You can consult our previous coverage for more of that information, especially of the former Merck doctor who said that Gardasil would become the “greatest medical scandal of all time.” There have also been as-yet-unexplained (or even acknowledged) cover-ups of other vaccine research as well, for example the decision to hide evidence that the MMR vaccine caused autism among black male infants.

Science is ever-evolving, with new evidence coming to light all of the time which throws doubt on previously held assumptions. What this scandal shows is that the proponents of the vaccine industry, who consistently and vehemently claim the mantle of “science” to defend their elimination of our freedoms, care less about the actual science than about pushing their own agenda, regardless of the evidence or the cost in human life—the very antithesis of the scientific method. Unfortunately, governments and world health organizations are now integrated into the vaccine industry in a way that can only be described as cronyism.

Action Alerts! On American soil, multiple states are pressing forward with legislation that would limit or restrict your freedom of choice when it comes to vaccination. If you haven’t done so already, check below to see if your state is one of them and please contact your state legislators immediately.

Indiana

Minnesota

New York

Pennsylvania

Rhode Island

South Dakota

Tennessee

 

Other articles in this week’s Pulse of Natural Health:

Has PBS Become a Front for Big Pharma?

Nominee for FDA Commissioner Clears Another Hurdle

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  • kkc003

    vaccinate all people who want Gardasil to be given to the masses. (the pushers and the creators and investors!)
    maybe we will let them figure out what it really does to humans.

  • Marvin Zinn

    I totally agree with the risk of following mandatory injections of anything for any reason. This activity is done for profits, NOT HEALTH! My father refused to have any vaccinations on me (but did have a fake made for legal approval to get me in school). OK, I got measles, mumps, and chicken pox; but mine were not as severe or long lasting as other students who had the vaccinations.

    • marlio

      yes, the pharmaceutical companies know their vaccines caused autism BUT THEY DIDN’T CARE!! It’s all about money, money, money, with these people and they,. imo, have no soul if they are doing this on PURPOSE!!!!

      • simonts

        I is understandable if not OK for the vaccine industry being interested solely in making profits, the more the better. What is unconscionable and outrageous (or at least it should be) is that our government, whether under republican or democratic control, and its regulator agencies, are all have been massively complicit in these intentional lies and crimes against humanity.

        • disqus_k3oycamN0W

          Population control and dumbing the voters, just like fluoride, mercury in fillings, pesticides/GMO

          • simonts

            I sure hope you are wrong and it is just pure sell-out to the highest bidder, i.e. pure greed.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            At lower level it is greed, but on higher level it is control. Look at Bill Gates TED talk where he makes slip of the tongue confession about vaccines used to lower population. His father was one the founders of Planned Parenthood, and his foundation invests in everything that can make people infertile, including vaccines, GMO and some bizarre contraception methods

  • Mike D

    There has already been a lawsuit concerning MMR Vaccines, it was settled quietly that MMR Vaccine causes Autism!!!

    • marlio

      ok , so it was settled? Does that mean they quit putting the mercury or aluminum in the MMR vaccine???

      • simonts

        The problem is that for a vaccine to work it needs and adjuvant, which is another name of an irritant to the body. As far as I am aware of there are only two of those substances used for this purpose, mercury and aluminum. Both should be banned, but they are not and will not be.

      • Richids Coulter

        MMR vaccine has never contained any aluminum salts or ethyl mercury, it’s a live virus vaccine.

        • simonts

          Thimerosal (which is 50% mercury) is still used as a preservative in multi-dose MMR vaccines, which is the wast majority used.

          • Richids Coulter

            No simonts, you’re confusing MMR with the flu vaccine, which uses 25mcg thimerosal per vaccine dose in MDVs but the danger with MD flu shots is that the amount may vary based on storage, transportation, administration.

            The multidose MMR is freezedried, it is reconstituted using saline solution. Thimerosal in multidose vials is used as both a presarvative and from preventing bacteria from growing, it is only used in MDVs that would contain a liquid solution, MMR MDV comes as a powder. It would be impossible to add thimerosal to MMR MDVs.

        • disqus_k3oycamN0W

          Vaccines contain not only thimerosal and aluminum, but up to 80 other toxic chemicals: carcinogens, neurotoxins, allergens, are used along with intended and contaminating viruses, carcinogenic cell lines, human and animal proteins, etc.

          • Richids Coulter

            No, making blanket statements about vaccines is never a good idea given there are many different kinds of vaccines. This is simple fact – there has NEVER in the past, nor now, been thimerosal in any form of MMR. MMR is a live virus vaccine! Please, don’t go around making those of us who oppose mandatory vaccinations look stupid by making uninformed comments, do research, know what you’re talking about, the last thing we need is people spouting rubbish because it makes the rest of us look bad.

            The problems with MMR are many, but have NEVER been that it contains mercury. Both MMR and MMRV do contain cell lines, but not mercury in any form, thimerosal or otherwise.

            MMR – Medium 199 (vitamins, amino acids, fetal bovine serum, sucrose, glutamate) , Minimum Essential Medium, phosphate, recombinant human albumin, neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin, chick embryo cell culture, WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts

            MMRV – sucrose, hydrolyzed gelatin, sorbitol, monosodium L-glutamate, sodium phosphate dibasic, human albumin, sodium bicarbonate, potassium phosphate monobasic, potassium chloride, potassium phosphate dibasic, neomycin, bovine calf serum, chick embryo cell culture, WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts, MRC-5 cells

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Your list is incomplete. Take vaccine insert, and look at fine print . Even that may be incomplete as they now manipulate the lists. Formaldehyde is also absent from your partial list. Adjuvants (aluminum compounds) – absent. Thimerosal is present in ALL vaccines, in high to very high concentrations, up to 50 000 ppb. Exception may be only Flumist, where another toxic chemical used instead of mercury as preservative.. And FDA doesn’t check amount of mercury, it is based on manufacturers word. (as if anyone can trust those liars)

          • Richids Coulter

            WRONG – there is ZERO (0.000ppm) thimerosal in live virus vaccines including MMR, it would no longer be a live virus vaccine. Please,go ahead and send a message to Sherri Tenpenny via her Facebook wall, or Suzanne Humphries, or Mercola, or Dr. Blaylock, or Andrew Wakefield, they will confirm for you that there is no Al or Hg in MMR. You cannot add thimerosal to a live virus vaccine. This is why you don’t find thimerosal in the single dose flu vaccine (referring to the INJECTED single dose, not the mist) as it is a live virus vaccine, the multi-dose flu vaccine contains 25mcg, there aren’t even microscopic traces in MMR. Please stop repeating this false information, you are doing a disservice to anyone fighting for freedom of choice. You are patently WRONG.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            WRONG- you copied your information from CDC list, which is manipulated and incomplete. If you want to trust them – be their guest, and inject yourself with their vaccines. They mention thimerosal only if it is at the level of 50000 ppb – 100 times higher than hazardous waste threshold. When it is 5 times higher, they call those vaccines “mercury free” . Viruses are “live attenuated” – learn the difference – you can not inject live virus. In reality they are indeed sometimes live and people get vaccine strain disease from those vaccines, either acute or subclinical. They even have term for those killer batches, “hot lots” and they send their batches far away from, so that deaths and ilnesses do not “cluster”. Learn about “filtering out” of thimerosal in the end of manufacturing process. If you are unable to learn , and prefer to get your information from CDC and official immunology textbooks ( that present ideal models), then do not pass yourself as an expert, and do not waste my time with replying.

          • Richids Coulter

            It’s clear you have some sort of learning impediment, are you a bot perhaps? I ask because despite being told ” those of us who oppose mandatory vaccinations” in my very first post, you have responded with “be my guest, and inject yourself with their vaccines”. Only a complete idiot would come back using such blatant misdirection as a retort.

            Your posts are 100%, completely and utterly WRONG – I copied the EXCIPIENT list from the CDC to demonstrate that there are human cell lines used in the MMR, NOT to demonstrate that there is no mercury…however the CDC includes not only every vaccine that uses a full dose of merucry (25mcg) like the flu vaccine, but also vaccines that at any point in time have included “trace amounts”. So you are lying about that.

            No, I don’t need to quote the CDC to demonstrate there is no thimerosal added to the MMR, the science is as simple as H2O = water, you cannot have even trace amounts of any form of mercury in MMR or it will be a completely dead virus vaccine, not live, not weakened, by every measurement of the imagination it will completely and utterly destroy the virus component of the vaccine. There is no thimerosal used at any point in the production of MMR vaccine.

            Again, anonymous poster, please,go ahead and send a message to Sherri Tenpenny via her Facebook
            wall, or Suzanne Humphries, or Mercola, or Dr. Blaylock, or Andrew
            Wakefield, they will confirm for you that there is no Al or Hg in MMR.

            Alternately you can read all of Dr. Wakefield’s excellent book Callous Disregard, not once will you see him mention anything about Hg anywhere regarding MMR because his hypothesis was that the measles virus itself was causing autism in children with Ileo-Colonic Lymphoid Nodular Hyperplasia (LNH), a serious disorder of the intestinal tract.

            Despite being redacted you should also be able to find the full text of the Lancet study online, the title is “The SIgnificance of Ileo-Colonic Lyphoid Nodular Hyperplasia in Children with Autism Spectrum Disorder”.

            You can also look through all 60+ references of studies supporting the Autism-Vaccine link that Ginger Taylor has maintained and updated for a long time, not one of them mentions anything about Hg and MMR, because it has NEVER contained thimerosal, in trace amounts or otherwise.

            You can watch the excellent documentaries Trace Amount, Bought or The Greater Good, not one of them will agree that MMR has ever contained thimerosal in trace amounts or otherwise, because it simply never has.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            What pharma calls “trace amounts” of thimerosal in their so called “mercury free vaccines” is in reality 2000 ppb of mercury or more., as nobody controls how much is really there. If you want to be duped and believe there is no thimerosal when they say “trace amount “, then you are either gullible or are sent here to spread disinformation. So you may type the word “wrong” 10 more times, I am not going to educate you , and will ignore you from now on.

          • Richids Coulter

            Feel free to cite a single product monograph and outline what the fine print says.

            Any amount of thimerosal will completely kill the amounts of virus contained in this live virus vaccine. 100% dead. It’s simple science.

            MMR vaccine production uses cell lines from human fetal cells and chick fibroblasts. There is no preservative. It is freeze-dried and comes in a powder. Mercury freezes at -38.83C, what freezers do you of that maintain a temperature of -38.83C? Next time you’re in a doctor’s office, ask them to see the FRIDGE that they store their MMR vaccines in, take a look at the temperature, it’s around 2-4 degrees C. Mercury is liquid long before this temperature.

            Again, ask any known antivaccine advocate like the well-respected names I’ve listed above (well, not respected by industry apologists, but well-respected by natural health advocates) and please educate yourself.

            Better yet, feel free to cite a single valid source to support your claim that MMR contains mercury in any form or amount. It never has.

          • Richids Coulter

            “Take vaccine insert, and look at fine print”

            All vaccines have their product monographs online, feel free to post a link to ANY of the MMR vaccines’ product monographs that support your theory.

            Better yet, you could cite a single article from Age of Autism, Think Twice, Safe Minds, Generation Rescue, or any other known antivaccine collective (and I don’t mind calling them antivaccine because I myself am 100% antivaccine) that acknowledges the MMR vaccine ever, at any time, or in any country, containing thylmercurithiosalicylic acid.

      • Mike D

        To my understanding, according to the report no!

      • Mike D

        No it does not.

    • simonts

      Could you please post links to this? IF it is settled then why are these vaccines still forced on our children???

  • Ann Price

    Why are you SOOOO terrified of autism, like it’s bubonic plague meets cancer? Being autistic is neither of those things, yet you fear it more than contagious and deadly diseases. I’m waiting for the day when people stop dismissing the voices of autistic people, and get to hear exactly what this fear-mongering ignorance has done to us and others.

    • marlio

      My child has autism caused by taking the MMR vaccine when she was 6 weeks old. NO child should be given these deadly vaccines which is now causing autism in Japan. You dont know what your are talking about!!!

      • Ann Price

        I’m autistic, too, or did you think we magically vanish?

        • Thomas_Avit

          I am sorry to hear that you have issues with autism and wish the best for you. However, there is a spectrum of autism and increasing frequency, which your individual case does not in any way address. Parents have good reason to be concerned about vaccinations – – especially with with the many coverups becoming uncovered.

          • Ann Price

            Would my opinion be relevant if I was a neurotypical parent of an autistic, or a “cured” autistic who agreed with everything this says? If that is so, then I’m not irrelevant, I’m just unwelcome reality.

          • Thomas_Avit

            Given your apparent age from your picture, I would assume that you are more from the era when autism was a more i in 10,000 occurrence than 1 in 68 occurrence in 2014 (up from 1 in 88 in 2012 and up 78% in last decade – – CDC figures). Given Autism is also on a spectrum, you may also be on the low end of the spectrum and much less disabled than others.

            What amazes me most about you comments is your lack of compassion and concern for the disabling affect that autism has on an increasing percentage of our children and population.

        • simonts

          So, because you are autistic you want as many as possible other kids/people suffer the same way you are?

        • Richids Coulter

          You are clearly high functioning and very high on the spectrum. Do you think a parent of a non-verbal child who tries to constantly pull their eyes out and smash their head off the wall whenever they get a chance would also think they no more would like their child to no longer be autistic than they would like their child to no longer be caucasian? It’s an absurd analogy.

          • Ann Price

            You think I am “high-functioning” just because I can type and thus think like you? You don’t know me at all, nor the many autistic adults who can type well-on a better day or otherwise-that would be something other than “high-function” by those criteria. Autistics do grow up, learn to cope, and adapt, as best we can. No, we aren’t like your child. Neither are you like the child you used to be. And yet, we’re still who we are, yet adults.

          • Richids Coulter

            No, as a diagnostic clinician based on the majority of your posts I would conclude that you are high-functioning, and definitely not low on the spectrum like many children I see that will never “grow up” and will have the mental capacity of a 6 month old for the remainder of their lives, never learning to talk, never learning to type, never learning to socialize or make eye contact, never be able to feed themselves, many of these children are vaccine-injured.

      • lovemylife

        My 2 girls just got an hpv vaccine too! Omg i am freaking out now!

      • Richids Coulter

        Why would you have received MMR at 6 weeks old? The earliest it’s given in ANY country is 12 months old, and in other countries in EU not until 24 months old. The second dose is usually now given as MMRV between 4-6 years old. Whomever gave your child MMR vaccine at 6 weeks old should be sued, The product monograph specifically states:

        Pediatric (<12 months)
        Safety and effectiveness of measles vaccine in infants below the age of 6 months have not been established. Safety and effectiveness of mumps and rubella vaccine in infants less than 12 months of age have not been established.

    • riverstrat .

      :facepalm:

    • VJCBingham

      Your comments Ann are irrational. Should we also stab our children because stab wounds heal?

      • Ann Price

        Am I irrational because I ask why you are more afraid of those like me than disease, or because I imply that autistic people aren’t anything to fear?

        • Deedon4

          Who is so “terrified” of autistic people?

          My two grandsons are autistic and their lives will most likely never be even close to normal. Although they are different from each other, neither can communicate as most people of their ages do. It is heartbreaking to see the limitations put on their lives because of this condition. Both of them are very intelligent but have little chance in life compared to their peers.

          If, as I believe, the autism was caused by the vaccinations they were forced to have, the people responsible should suffer similar consequences. They certainly should not be allowed to profit from this business.

          • simonts

            People responsible for the vaccine danger cover up, especially those who were involved as government/regulatory agency employees, should rot in jail to the end of their miserable life.

          • Dust of the Earth

            Deedon4, there is hope! I do not know your grandsons’ particular situations, but I do know that our brains are capable of rewiring and adjustment when given the chance. They may be able to learn to speak through singing, for example. Or they might learn sign language, or communicate through writing. It may be heartbreaking to see them have such difficulties, but we are all capable of overcoming our difficulties. Just keep loving them and feeding them healthy food, and one day they might surprise you!

        • simonts

          No one here “fears” autistic children. You are making up things. I for one want to make sure that their numbers in the US finally stop increasing and starts decreasing. It is the disease “autism” that every parent should fear and try to do everything humanely possible to prevent in their children.

          • Ann Price

            Autism isn’t a disease, it’s a neurodevelopmental difference.

          • simonts

            I disagree. Autism is a disorder by definition (look it up at the CDC web site) and a disease. That does not mean that people who are unlucky enough to have this disorder/disease should be stigmatized in any way, and no one here advocated that.

        • VJCBingham

          Your comments have nothing to do with the premise of the article or the comments of the other writers. No one said anything about being terrified of autistic people. The discussion is about prevention. That’s all. I offer you my heartfelt wish that you also recover. Since you apparently read and research, you may wish to know about the findings of Dr. Andrew Cutler. His book ‘Amalgam Sickness, and its Cure’ is excellent. Best Wishes. VJ

          • Ann Price

            I don’t need to recover from being autistic, any more than I need to recover from being female or Caucasian.

          • simonts

            Are you real, or just trying to provoke people? I cannot imagine why anyone would not want to recover from this disorder/disease any more than why anyone would not want to recover from any other disease, whether a flu or heart disease, or stroke, etc.

        • Thomas_Avit

          IMHO: You are very irrational in your lack of showing any concern for a disorder/disease that is very disabling for most who have it, very disruptive for their families, and is growing rapidly in its occurrence.

          I know of many families that have had autistic children, that resulted in broken marriages and when the parents do pass, then who takes care of the autistic children – – especially the severely disabled ones? Nothing to fear here is there.

          You appear to be asking for compassion for autistic people, which is very appropriate. However, you are showing no compassion for those concerned about the growing occurrence of autism and the affect that it will have on families and society in general. Personally, I cannot fathom a socially and mentally healthy person having such a perspective.

          • Ann Price

            Of course you can’t see completely into my perspective, if you aren’t autistic. Asking people to see those like me as human and different and challenged by a neurotypical world, instead of diseased and broken and not human-that is irrational?
            If “showing compassion” means seeing autism as a disease to be eradicated at all cost-including the existence of anyone like myself-and autistics as broken, suffering, diseased sub-humans, then no, I want no part of this “compassion” you speak of. And that is what the cure/disease/martyrdom rhetoric is saying to us autistics, even the ones you think can’t possibly understand. “Not being able to speak is not the same as having nothing to say.”

          • Thomas_Avit

            We obviously know so little about each other. I try to show compassion to all life – – human and animal. This afternoon I had two interactions with a downs syndrome person at the gym. I treated him like a normal person and went out of my way to find him when I was done using a piece of equipment that he wanted to use and he was very appreciative. I have a feeling we may well become friends and I will never treat him as a subhuman.

            My sense is that you have been poorly treated in the past, due to your autism, and have let that shade your view of anyone professing to have compassion towards autism. However, letting that go so far as to show no compassion for parents or others having to deal with an autistic family member or others concerned about the rapidly increasing prevalence of autism seems detached and cold to say the least.

    • simonts

      You are either a vaccine shill or a heartless person. By the latest statistics one out of every 50 (yes fifty) child is autistic on the US of A. About a decade ago it was one out of 10,000. In other developed countries, where the Pharma lobby is not as omnipotent as in ours, where there is minimal if any mandatory vaccination, the numbers are close to one in 10,000 today. It is very clear to anyone with 2 ounces of brain that we have been doing something fundamentally wrong in our country.

      • Ann Price

        You are rude and judgemental.

      • Dust of the Earth

        I agree with Ann Price that you’re being very rude. Nothing she (I assume because of the name) said indicated she’s a shill or heartless. I completely understand her anger when many people claim autism is some sort of monolithic horrible disease. Also, can you provide sources for your claim that the rate of autism is 1 in 10000 in developed countries besides the US? I’ve only ever heard that rates are similar in those countries. I also believe there are many causes of autistic symptoms, only one of which may be vaccination. It’s just not the sole factor.

        • simonts

          No one here claimed that Autism is a “horrible disease”, although in my (judgmental) opinion it is indeed a horrible disease in its most serious forms. My negative reaction was to her comment above:

          “Why are you SOOOO terrified of autism, like it’s bubonic plague meets cancer? Being autistic is neither of those things, yet you fear it more than contagious and deadly diseases.”

          In my (again, judgmental) opinion parents are right to be very much afraid of autism and should do everything possible to try to protect their children from this disease, which in Ann’s mind is not a disease nor a disorder. Her argument regarding deadly contagious diseases is beside the point, especially because most of those deadly contagious diseases are either practically nonexistent in the US today, or can be cured. Autism on the other hand cannot be cured today, certainly not using corporate medicine. And unlike Ann I believe that most autistic people would love to be cured from this disease. It seems that she wants the bear this disease as a badge of honor, which is nice and good for her but the rest of us cannot be forced to agree with her view. I will respond your question regarding numbers/statistics in a separate comment.

          • Dust of the Earth

            With the “horrible disease” comment, I meant other people around the internet that Ann has surely been exposed to. I wrote my comments late last night and reading them again now I realize I wasn’t as clear as I could’ve been.

            I only said you were rude because you immediately jumped to the assumption that Ann must either be a shill or heartless. What she said was inflammatory, but didn’t seem to warrant such accusations.

            I do not think of autism as a disease anymore than I think of ADHD or dyslexia as diseases. The two of us seem to use the word “disease” differently. To me, things like the flu and lyme disease are diseases. It’s possible Ann also thinks of diseases in this way.

            Whether most autistic people would want to be cured or not depends on how you think of autism. Is autism a collection of symptoms, for example gut dysbiosis, anxiety, and an inability to communicate? Or is autism an inward state of self that happens to differ from the majority? Being cured of physical and psychological difficulties is not the same as changing one’s inherent self for the purpose of fitting in with the crowd. I assume most autistic people would like to be cured of the former, but not the latter.

            However, we come to the next problem. Autism is diagnosed from behavior and symptoms, and every autistic person displays differently. Therefore, we cannot be sure everyone diagnosed with autism has the same inherent neurodevelopmental differences, or whether everyone diagnosed with autism should even be diagnosed with autism. It’s a difficult question, and we all have different opinions on it.

            I believe it’s safe to say that anyone with gut issues or heavy metal toxicity must work on healing, whether they’re autistic or not. Those who cannot communicate verbally may be taught sign language or patiently helped to learn to speak. But assuming most autistic people want to be “normal” is not guaranteed. “Normal” is overrated, anyway. I hope I’m being clear enough, and I apologize for any misunderstandings.

    • Dust of the Earth

      Ann Price, I don’t believe most people are afraid of autism. Many parents, understandably, are concerned when their children are not like other children, but this extends to all sorts of things. Autism is diagnosed by behavior and “symptoms” so it’s possible and also likely that there are many “causes” of autism. Some may be born with it, some may acquire it after birth. Perhaps vaccines can induce damage that has the same symptoms as autism, but damage can heal. The concerns regarding vaccines extend far beyond autism, although that is the one the media talks about the most. When an autistic child perhaps suffers from digestive problems and cannot communicate with the world, it is surely a sad situation. Many treatments focus on curing the physical ailments, which may often result in a better ability to communicate. If an autistic child grows and learns to communicate more effectively and handle themselves independently, are they “cured”? Is it possible for someone with autism to manage a fulfilling, independent life while still processing information differently? I believe the answer to that second question is “yes”. Unfortunately, it seems like many autistic children today have severe symptoms such as gut dysbiosis and extreme anxiety. These are the things that must be (and can be) cured (although maybe we shouldn’t use that word so much), so they can grow up to lead fulfilling and independent lives. But no matter the causes of autism, people should never dismiss autistic voices or assume that because their child is one way, all autistic people are that way. I myself have Asperger’s syndrome, diagnosed in high school. I didn’t talk much until I was 4, but I learned to read at 3. I don’t want my inherent self to be “cured”, but it sure would be nice to not have anxiety issues (I’m working on this and can definitely say I’ve improved over the years). I also don’t believe it’s possible to cure one’s inherent self. Only outward symptoms can be cured, or ameliorated may be a better term in the case of psychological symptoms. The fact that you and I can communicate to each other and everyone who reads our messages can give hope to those who have autistic children that they too can learn to communicate if they’re having trouble.

  • riverstrat .

    This BIG PHARMA corruption is based on the same theme as the NWO push for Global Warming world taxation of CO2 emissions, CO2 is not a pollutant, the science is so corrupt and wrong, they now try to push the same NWO on us under the new name Climate Change lol,,,,, they are desperate because everyone is waking push for control over every aspect of our waking and sleeping lives.

    • simonts

      Total BS! The vaccine deception has been going on for decades and has no relationship to the argument about global warming. The wast majority of independent scientists agree on global warming, while the wast majority of INDEPENDENT scientists (who are not directly or indirectly paid by or dependent on the Pharma industry) agree on the dangers of vaccination and are against mandatory vaccinations with most (but not all) vaccines.

      • riverstrat .

        lol , In the 70’s they tried to scare us into believing in a coming ice age lol….Global Warming is lie , the science was cherry picked and skewed so much so that you people had to change the name to Climate Change. There is a direct relationship with the vaccine hysteria and Global Warming , they are both fear mongering , for profit, Globalization LIES, and a continual chipping away of sovereignty and liberty.
        If there was any truth in CO2 being the cause, the solution would to plant a frgn Tree, not set up a Global taxation scheme , a scheme that will never go away once implanted and will be expanded to collect taxes for additional issues to fund additional fraud.

        • Wegan

          Studies show that people who watch Fox News know less facts than people who watch no news programs.

          • riverstrat .

            You should stop watching then, I don’t. Those that have no contributions on actual issues use personally attacks , berate, and belittle anyone than has opposing views. Ergo ; idiots with no knowledge of issues contribute nothing.

          • Deedon4

            Who did the studies?

        • simonts

          Yep, I am sure you also believed, and maybe still believe, that there is no proof that smoking is harmful to people’s health.

  • riverstrat .

    Never let the government tell you what medical treatment you must receive, or how to raise your children and what products to buy. I will continue to pay the un constitutional fines levied against me for refusing to participate with anything to do with un constitutional Obama Care.
    “All laws repugnant to the Constitution are null and void”

    • Thomas_Avit

      But SCOTUS said that Obama care (formerly known as Romney Care) was Constitutional. Who told you it was “un constitutional” and that “All laws repugnant(?) to the Constitution are null and void”?

      Your choice to pay any fines.

      • riverstrat .

        SCOTUS is not an authority on our Constitution, they are adept at revisionism and re interpretation to generally meet liberal agendas, not always but typically.
        There is no provision in the Constitution that authorizes the Federal Government to determine which products Americans shall buy.

        • simonts

          Your are wrong. By our constitution, which you value so much, SCOTUS is the highest and last authority on all legal issues, including issues related to our constitution, whether you or I like their decisions or not.

          • riverstrat .

            SIMONTS SAYS: “Your are wrong. By our constitution, which you value so much, SCOTUS is the highest and last authority on all legal issues…”
            Riverstrat says : lol , that is a bold faced lie. Give us a link to the section of the Constitution that supports your lie.

          • simonts

            You really should go back to third grade and re-take the class on basic civics.

      • Highphlyer

        SCOTUS did not rule on the constitutionality of Obamacare. They only ruled on the issue of the penalty for not participating. They ruled it to be a TAX.

        • Liz

          They ruled it to be a tax because IT WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. That’s what makes the ACA even more disturbing- that we can be penalized for not purchasing a product or service that someone deems as necessary. If the ACA were a single payer system , I would be comfortable paying the tax just like I pay SS, etc.. However, when someone forces me to purchase a product that is sold FOR PROFIT on the open market and then penalizes me when I don’t, I get very upset.

          • Wegan

            So vote for Bernie so we can get single payer. ACA is better than what came before (nothing) The Medicaid expansion allowed thousands to get access to healthcare ( except for the unfortunates who live in one of those states with republican governors that declined assistance. There was supposed to have been a public option but the republicans nixed that.

          • Liz

            Please consider this: The ACA does absolutely nothing to curb medical bankruptcy which is one of the reasons it was created and secondly, there is no correlation between for-profit healthcare and good health outcomes or quality care which SHOULD BE the reason why anyone would want to have health insurance and visit their doctor. The other issue I have is the high deductible policies that were issued are not even being used by the majority of policy holders because they simply can’t afford to visit the doctor and pay the doctor visit AND their monthly premiums. Another issue that should be considered is that many insurance companies dropped coverage for some treatments altogether in order to save money. A woman in my area could not get any coverage for lung cancer ( and she had never even smoked though that should not matter) and another woman discovered that surgical anesthesia was not covered in her silver plan AFTER she had a lump removed from her breast. Buyer beware and read every word of the fine print on your policy.
            I will vote for Mr. Sanders for many reasons but mainly because he’s a man that works for the people and not for the corporations.

          • Wegan

            The ACA does have flaws but it is an improvement over nothing. Pre-existing conditions are no longer allowed. There is now a maximum out of pocket that should reduce bankruptcies. The deductibles are criminal but you are allowed one no cost wellness visit a year but you have to make sure the doctor calls the insurance co to get the right preventative codes so you don’t have to pay for the tests. In the meantime the best one can do is eat a lot of plants.

          • Liz

            I’m vegetarian but I doubt that makes me any healthier than some carnivores. Maybe the veggies help my brain recognize when I’m being duped! Are you aware the majority of medical bankruptcies are filed by the insured and not the uninsured? About 70 percent were filed by the insured. In reality high deductible plans do nothing to curb bankruptcies and can actually lead to more by creating more demand and higher prices. Here’s why: When people are paying for insurance, they visit doctors more often for petty things that really don’t need medical care in an effort to feel like they are getting their money’s worth. When they visit the doctor, they get prescribed unnecessary overpriced medicines and treatments that drive up the cost of care- making it unaffordable for them and everyone else and it is also putting their health at risk – needing follow-ups and more medicines. I stated before, hope you read the fine print because you might be surprised at what your insurance company decided to remove from your coverage before you purchased it and be sure to carry some whiskey with you if you need surgery 🙁 Sure, they can’t decline a policy due to a pre-existing condition but the ACA doesn’t mandate that they must pay for treatment. They just wanted us to purchase a policy! Obama boasted about free preventive care but he doesn’t even know the difference between preventive care and diagnostic care- calling colonoscopies and pap smears preventive care? Please! Since when do either of those prevent disease? The ACA has worked quite well for insurance companies who have tripled and quadrupled their profits ever since and hospitals have raised their prices by 1,000 percent. . They threw us to the wolves.

          • simonts

            Correction: just to stick with the facts, the public option was nixed by none other but president Obama. He did not allow congress to even consider it.

          • Thomas_Avit

            Liz, I cannot agree more with you about a single payer system, as the U.S. is the only country in the developed world to still have an antiquated and expensive totally FOR PRIFIT healthcare system.

          • Highphlyer

            Thanks, Liz. I agree with you, in part. My point was that Roberts twisted himself into a pretzel to find a way not to rule against ACA.

          • Liz

            Yes he did. They are all one big giant pretzel- the kind smothered in so much mustard that it doesn’t even resemble a pretzel anymore.

          • riverstrat .

            Penalty is right , and taxes are permitted to collect revenue , not to be used as penalties , Roberts even used the word ‘Penalty’ in the decision.

            Justice Roberts Writes:
            “The Affordable Care Act’s requirement that certain individuals pay a financial penalty for not obtaining health insurance may reasonably be characterized as a tax.”

      • riverstrat .

        Point to a provision in the Constitution that says taxes can be used as punishment , point to another provision in the Constitution that says taxes don’t need to start in the House of Representatives, they didn’t with Obama Care.
        & What part of the 4th Amendment offends you sensibilities ?
        The Commerce Clause is not an option.
        And odds tell me and you both that you googled the quote “…null and void.” the same second you read it, I know where you hope to go with that, lol have at it.

        • Thomas_Avit

          Without a lengthy civics lesson, the POTUS or COTUS can propose laws, the COTUS has to pass them, and the SCOTUS reviews their Constitutionality, if challenged. The system was designed by the Founding Fathers to be adaptable, but to have checks and balances. I saw that it worked pretty well until the SCOTUS began to get more and more political. That’s the end of my civics lesson.

          • riverstrat .

            No one asked.
            But I did ask you this: “Point to a provision in the Constitution that says taxes can be used as punishment , point to another provision in the Constitution that says taxes don’t need to start in the House of Representatives, they didn’t with Obama Care.
            & What part of the 4th Amendment offends you sensibilities ?
            The Commerce Clause is not an option.”

          • Thomas_Avit

            You undoubtably have the last stupid words.

    • simonts

      This vaccine BS has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Obamacare. It started decades before Obama was elected and has been carried on by BOTH Democratic and Republican administrations. Extreme political arguments like yours destroys the credibility of the “truth in vaccination” movement. This is NOT and should NOT be a political issue. This is an issue of honest, objective, INDEPENDENT scientific research and discovery which has almost been made extinct by the Pharma mafia/lobby, which BTW has been buying our so called “representatives” of both parties for decades. By now they own almost all of them.

      • riverstrat .

        SIMONTS SAYS: “This vaccine BS has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Obamacare”
        RIVERSTRAT SAYS: I agree, I didn’t say it did, but Obama belongs in Prison and vaccines should never be allowed to be injected in humans without consent.

        • simonts

          Whether Obama “belongs” to prison or not is for the judiciary to decide, up to the SCOTUS. But I agree that vaccination should require consent (parental consent for kids) except in very few cases for deadly diseases like black pox or TBC, etc. (both of which diseases have been practically eradicated by vaccination). Those vaccines also had side effects but the trade off was well worth it.

          • snicklefritz

            There is no safe vaccine

          • simonts

            i agree. but life is a series of compromises. in my opinion for some very bad diseases the risk is worth taking. certainly not for flu, hpv, hepatitis b for newborns, etc., etc. and the main thing is that except in a few exceptional cases the trade-off/decision should be made by the individual or parent for kids. certainly not government or any agency employee or leader with any direct or indirect financial benefit from vaccination.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            That is true, not only ALL vaccines are not safe, but they ARE NOT EFFECTIVE . Dr Humphries book “Dissolving Illusions” proves it with statistics and graphics. Eradication of polio, small pox has nothing to do with vaccine, but everything to do with plumbing and sanitation. In fact, those vaccines promoted epidemics, and infected people with contaminating viruses (polio with SV40 – cancer causing, and in some locations HIV, small pox in 19 cenury – with tuberculosis and syphilis from unsterilized needles and TB infected cows)

          • snicklefritz

            Thank you for your comment. We have been very brainwashed about vaccines. We do not do ourselves any good by getting vaccinated. My conclusion is there is no safe vaccination. They all do harm. Dr Moulden has proven this. He’s paid with his life to bring this truth to humanity. These criminals who promote these lies have much to gain by keeping us deceived. Follow the money trail and check out “depopulation agenda”. Very eve-opening and disgusting.

    • margaret williams

      Well said”riverstrat”

      • riverstrat .

        Thanks Margaret, your comment posted in another thread , not sure which one you’re referring to, but tyranny has crept into just about every aspect of our lives, glad most of us are discovering it. We are going to stop them.

  • Zazu22

    It’s all about making money. Drug companies don’t put human safety first. I have always said that no one should get this vaccine until it has been studied for at least a couple of decades. Even the commercial says that it doesn’t protect against all forms of HPV. As far as I’m concerned, that is their disclaimer for when women show up with HPV after getting the shot.And it’s only viable for FIVE years, so what’s the point? I tried to talk friend and relatives out of having their daughters vaccinated, but they all went with the doctor’s recommendation, which of course was to get the shot.

  • Evan Eberhardt

    This is nothing new. Just about everything big pharma puts on the market is a harmful scam that they then use phony statistics to show efficacy and safety. I avoid all of it.

  • lovemylife

    My 2 daughters 10 and 12 just got that hpv vaccine……im soooooo worried now!

    • simonts

      Why did you let them vaccinated? This vaccine is not mandatory…..yet (but the Pharma mafia has been hard at work to make this abomination mandatory).

      • lovemylife

        They lied to me and said it prevents ovarian cancer and some other bull….me being with the same doctor for 16 years now of course I believed them…..stupid decision.

        • simonts

          I am very sorry for you, you must feel terrible.

    • katch52

      I’m saying prayers for your daughters, lovemylife and everyone else who got the vaccine.

      • lovemylife

        Thanks Katch52

    • Lefty2

      The hpv vaccine is given in 3 injections over several months. If they only received the first injection, don’t allow them to receive the next two. Tell their doc that you changed your mind about the safety of hpv vaccines and you reject further injections. Don’t let the doc change your mind. It’s not the doc’s choice, it’s your choice.

      • lovemylife

        They just received their second one.
        Im sooooo worried. They have a big knot in their arm. They got it almost 2 weeks ago.

        • Richids Coulter

          Do some research on Dr. Blaylock’s vaccination detoxification protocol.

        • Lefty2

          Refuse further injections. Tell the doctor you have investigated the vaccine and have determined that it is not safe (not in front of your daughters). Don’t let the doctor tell you otherwise. Doctors know nothing about drug/vaccine safety. They only know what drug reps peddle to them.

          • lovemylife

            Thanks Lefty2 I already told them. They will noooooot get the 3rd for sure!

          • Richids Coulter

            Definitely in front of your daughters, they should be fully informed so they too know to say no should someone else try and push it on them when you’re not there.

  • Terry Wright

    Big Pharma strikes again … & govenors like Rick Perry of Texas and others want to make this vaccine mandatory in girls 11 years old and older, and also recommend it for boys.
    All research studies are biased based on the opinions of the head researcher, who is writing for said grant…or the entity funding the study & millions of $$$$ at stake for proven hypotheses… & those specific goals of researches involved, whether ethical or monetary. Vaccines have proven to prevent epidemics pandemics and multiple health maladies, yet one must also consider socioeconomic prejudices, availability & affordability to all populations that help to exclude or include certain populations in these studies that with final outcome, both positive and negative, make pricing sensable, treatment safe & efficacious, & affordable for the masses or offer consented choice. The usual casual consumer who agrees to take this or any injection based on our practitioners recommendations need to ask for assurance based on the indications for and contraindications against taking any vaccine or injection. If you choose to be vaccinated then do your homework. Do some research on what other nations/countries are doing and their outcome data. Data doesn’t lie as long as all testing is done the same way EVERY time with an ethical group of persons whose passion is doing the right thing for all population health not personal gain.

    • katch52

      Just a reminder that Rick Perry is not governor anymore. He quickly rescinded the vaccine order when he found out that he was lied to about it. Otherwise, I agree with you.

  • Jeffrey Liggens

    See “Emerging Viruses” by Dr. Leonard Horowitz, for his revelations on how and why vaccines laced with deadly viruses are created and used for human population control.

  • Judy

    My son got the first found of shots for the HPV. He has been sick every since. Throwing up on a daily basis. Tired, light headed, weak, flu like symptoms. Is there a class action suit going on for this? He received the shot last year. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
    Thank you
    Judith

    • simonts

      Why would anyone let his SON injected with this stuff? It is difficult for me to understand even for daughters who have some VERY LOW risk (4000 a year) of dying if contacted the human papaloma virus, but boys? BTW, the vaccine manufacturers are protected from law suits by our beloved congress. There is a fund available for vaccine damage compensation administered by the federal authorities.

      http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html

  • Excuse me

    What is intriguing, is many providers admit that there may be adverse effects with these vaccines, but they regard it as the cost of doing business at the public health level.

    • simonts

      Well, it is our cost and the Pharma mafia’s profit.

  • Dust of the Earth

    Ok, I see. The figures you provided make more sense to me. I too believe the exponential increase of autism diagnoses is very concerning because that means many of the severe symptoms are also increasing, which of course make it more likely a child will be diagnosed. Children with milder symptoms often go undiagnosed much longer, or perhaps might never be diagnosed at all.

    In my opinion, the government isn’t bothering to find out the cause(s) of autism because they’ve been largely bought out by pharmaceuticals, chemical/biotech companies, etc. There are other problems like underfunding too, but of course congress gets to decide where the money goes, and they choose to keep it in the massive military budget and fossil fuel/industrial agriculture subsidies. I’m oversimplifying, but that’s neither here nor there. What I mean is, the money is put elsewhere, and departments are busy with other things. There are a lot of inefficiencies and waste in our government.

    • simonts

      Sure, there are inefficiencies in our government, same as there are inefficiencies in any large bureaucratic organization, whether governmental or private (see Parkinson’s Laws). In my opinion the problem is not inefficiency but rather priorities. Because of the huge pro vaccination (and ever increasing pro mandatory vaccination) lobbying effort of the Pharma mafia there will be no priority on this until and unless the people start organizing themselves and put huge political pressure on congress and the government to finally get off their a$$es and start doing something. This is what happened with AIDS (which effected much less people BTW), which did not get any attention until the gay community started organizing politically and financially and put significant pressure on the system. The problem is that the ever increasing number of parents of autistic children are so busy with coping with the difficult situation and making a living that they have no time/energy to organize. What we probably need is some very high profile celebrities to take up the cause and start a major movement.

  • Robert Cruder

    There has been an increase in head and neck cancers in the last few years. This has been far more significant among males than females and more so at younger ages (25-35). Virtually all of the tumor samples studied contain genetic material from HPV and all varieties that have been characterized in detail match those that are in these two vaccines.

    These are a cross-section of males who are statistically almost all heterosexual. Apparently, males are more likely to get oral cancers than females and indeed more than the combined oral and genital cancers in females. They also appear to be getting them at earlier ages. This suggests that vaccinations be more strongly encouraged for males.

    As an older male who can afford the cost and who has never had a negative reaction to any vaccine, I wonder why HPV vaccine is not recommended for anyone older than mid-20’s. Natural resistance declines with age. Those who shook off HPV early in life might not do so later.

    Just as I paid to vaccinate against shingles, if allowed to do so I would pay for HPV vaccine.

    • simonts

      There is a good chance that you will actually get shingles from the shingle vaccine. You are warned, do not be surprised.

      • Robert Cruder

        Since it is not a live vaccine, that was an ignorant reply.

        Not only have my wife and I been free of shingles, we were vaccinated at the recommendation of an office associate who had not been vaccinated, who did get shingles and who continues to suffer symptoms that I would not wish on anyone.

        How does it feel to inflict that much pain on people just to support a false ideology?

        • Richids Coulter

          You should contact said office associate and advise them to look into intravenous vitamin C, the symptoms they’re continuing to suffer will be alleviated within a matter of hours.

          Both shingles and chickenpox are live virus vaccines Robert, sorry to break it to you.

  • simonts

    Thanks for posting the link, I missed this somehow, and found it very educational and frightening at the same time. What I do not understand is: why can’t an independent lab (whether in the US or abroad) test for the presence of Nagalase enzyme in vaccines? This can be very easily and quickly done nowadays using a mass spectrometer. If it turns out that they put Nagalase into vaccines without disclosing it that is a crime, as far as I know.

  • Dora Shelton

    Let The scientists inject “Their Family Members FIRST” IF they Live…then Maybe try IT! These Soulless Butts Always Want to “Experiment and Play God”
    But You SCIENTISTS ALSO THINK YOU Know What you are Doing…BUT GOD IS The Original Maker or “Potter” of THE HUMAN MAN or MALE. HE KNOWS EVERY THING ABOUT HOW OUR BODY’S WORK. His Thoughts are HIGHER THAN YOUR THOUGHTS and HIS WAYS are HIGHER THAN YOUR WAYS. HE KNOWS Things that Your Minds Could Never Comprehend. YOU DON’T TAKE A CAR TO A DENTIST! Only The Manufacturer KNOWS how “Fix It’s Product”…Science has it’s “Place” but Not Over GOD!

  • riverstrat .

    Be informed, don’t let the troll/shills lull you into coporate obedience. You have the right to be secure in your home, your person and your posessions. You have the God given right to self destiny , your children are yours, they do not belong to the government , and neither do you. The Government was created as our servant , yet they have become our master, together we can turn the tide back to Liberty and adherence to the inspired document; The Us Constitution.
    Be informed, don’t let the troll/shills lull you into coporate obedience. You have the right to be secure in your home, your person and your posessions. You have the God given right to self destiny , your children are yours, they do not belong to the government , and neither do you. The Government was created as our servant , yet they have become our master, together we can turn the tide back to Liberty and adherence to the inspired document; The Us Constitution.

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    You do not need to correct yourself as you (and I) are correct, All vaccines have mercury, including MMR.
    *Where “thimerosal” is marked with an asterisk (*) it indicates that the product should be considered equivalent to thimerosal-free products. This vaccine may contain trace amounts (<3 mcg) of mercury left after POST-PRODUCTION thimerosal REMOVAL, but these amounts have no biological effect. JAMA 1999;282(18) and JAMA 2000;283(16)"
    This is citation from a link posted here by wRetched Rachid.
    He claims he id "diagnostic clinician", but he doesn't understand how vaccines are made. When viruses are brewd on cancerous immortal cell lines with unsterilized animal products (like fetal bovine serum) some toxic should be used to control growth of bacteria, fungy, mycoplasma. Thimerosal is their favorite chemical for this purpose. Then it is supposedly "filtered out", but plenty of it still left – about 1 mcg per 0.5 ml dose or 2000 ppb ( but reports are that in reality it is about 4 mcg, because FDA doesn't check – it is manufacturer's honor word , and they have no honor. MMR is this 2000 ppb or more mercury containing vaccine that CDC fraudelently calls "mercury free". Unfortunately, I myself was duped by this wordplay, until I investigated. Ratched also doesn't understand the difference between live virus and attenuated live virus. Formaldehyde (carcinogen) is added to vaccine to make it "attenuated", but it is not always attenuates the virus enough, and it is possible to get measles or flu from vaccines. Aluminum is adjuvant, not preservative. It is designed to create inflammation and force the body to produce some antibodies ( low quality and disappearing after a few years , hence boosters with more aluminum). People's immune system is so destroyed and week now, that without aluminum hydroxide or salts, most will nor produce any antibodies. Vaccine science is very sinister and fraudulent, including small pox, polio, and TB vaccines, that you trust for some reason. Those are dangerous hoaxes as well.

    • Richids Coulter

      What is the freezing temperature of mercury? What form is MMR, in both single and multidose vials, delivered in? Explain the conundrum.