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California Vaccine Bill Becomes Law

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This is no time to quit. There are still ways we can fight back. Action Alerts!

As many of us know by now, California’s draconian vaccine bill, which will remove all non-medical exemptions for children attending public schools, has become law. Despite a massive, sustained grassroots campaign against the bill, Gov. Jerry Brown signed SB 277 into law on June 30. This is an undeniable setback for parents who—concerned about the health and safety of their children—do not believe the state has the right to decide what goes into their bodies.

Without a nearly impossible-to-obtain medical exemption, parents in California who wish to send their children to public elementary and middle schools must get their children vaccinated on the prescribed schedule, which is being ordered for younger and younger children these days, with more and more shots being given at once.

The bill’s passage also carries the danger of emboldening similar efforts in other state legislatures looking to extend this medical authoritarianism further. State legislatures across the country are considering bills that would eliminate or restrict exemptions, mandate certain vaccines for children attending public schools, or force individuals in certain professions to be vaccinated (see below if your state is considering such legislation).

A number of responses are being explored. Advocates in California are gathering signatures to call for a referendum on SB 277, which requires 365,880 signatures within 180 days. Other efforts are in the works to recall lawmakers who voted in favor of the measure.

We believe a legal challenge to SB 277, based on the First Amendment right to religious expression, is both imminent and has a good chance of success.

Religious belief exemptions to vaccination are granted on the basis of a First Amendment right to freely hold and exercise religious beliefs. First Amendment rights can be restricted, however, if the government can show that the restriction serves “to promote a compelling interest” and is “the least restrictive means to further the articulated interest.”

SB 277’s authors write, “There are few interests more compelling than the health and safety of the students entrusted to our system”—a somewhat bizarre declaration, considering that measles hasn’t killed anyone since 2003. There’s a story circulating now of a woman who died of measles in Washington last week, but the media is misrepresenting the facts. See the next article in this week’s Pulse for more details.

The measles vaccine, on the other hand, has been linked to five deaths since 2005 according to the government’s own Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)—and that’s not counting the 30,000 total vaccine adverse events reported to VAERS each year.

Do the sponsors of SB 277 care about children’s safety—or about the bottom line of vaccine manufacturers? Nine of the top twenty recipients of Big Pharma money in the California legislature are either legislative leaders or serve on the Senate or Assembly health committees, both of which overwhelmingly approved SB 277. The top recipient of donations from the pharmaceutical industry, receiving more than $95,000, is Sen. Richard Pan (D-CA), one of two authors of SB 277.

The most common argument in favor of this legislation, expressed in an editorial in the San Jose Mercury, is that “the science is settled” in favor of vaccine safety and efficacy—and that when science conflicts with personal opinion, government must side with science. This is nonsense, because the science is far from settled on this subject. There are many questions about the underlying science—questions that vaccine authoritarians refuse even to try to answer! Neither Sen. Pan nor the editorial writers are themselves scientists. If politicians can make us do anything so long as they vaguely cite “science” as their rationale, how does that differ from what totalitarian governments have done over the years?

Action Alerts! There is still an opportunity to defeat this law! If you live in California:

  • Sign the referendum petition.
  • Sign the recall petition.
  • Look here to see if your representatives in the state legislature voted in favor of SB 277, and if he or she did, then click here to send a message telling them how upset you are with the passage of this bill. Please send your message immediately.
  • And participate in our national Action Alert (below) as well.

National Action Alert! Please write your senators and representative and urge them NOT to support the federal vaccine mandates sponsored by Rep. Frederica Wilson (D-FL) and Sens. Barbara Boxer and Anna Eshoo (both D-CA). Please send your message immediately.

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Other state-based Action Alerts! We must also remain vigilant in states where non-medical exemptions are in danger of being eliminated. We cannot allow legislation of this type to spread to other states. Check below to see if your state is considering such a bill. California, Illinois, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Texas have worrisome bills that are still being considered state lawmakers.

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Illinois
Minnesota

New Jersey
New York
Ohio
Pennsylvania: Senate bills and a House bill
Texas

Editor’s note (7/8/2015): The original article mistakenly referred to SB 277 as applying only to public schools and not to private schools. The bill in fact removes all non-medical exemptions from both private and public schools in California.

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  • Wendy Allen

    Science on both sides was not examined. They only trust what they want..politics. Fear makes people do vaccines/Chemo/radiation etc, but they may hurt more than help. They may lower the immune system and lower nutrients absorbed in intestines. People who don’t know science may trust Conventional medicine. Alternative medicine to me is God’s way. Natural help may heal people fast compared to man’s way which may not work. Man is not so smart. Politicians may not understand science but make rules for people based on their limited understanding.

    • It isn’t even like that anymore, the politicians make rules to profit the corporations now and to hamper the little guy.
      That is it, its nothing but a corporate crime ring now; There is no “System” left in this system, just a revolving door, paid favors, backroom dealing, insider information trading crime ring that has ruined the world. (Which is why I will never join it.)
      They EXPECT the slaves to follow the rules, but they do whatever they want. I’m not playing their game!

  • Darlene McCarter

    In the 1950’s my four kids had old fashioned measles for like 2 weeks. They were so sick, I thought they were going to die, like in a coma from high temps, terrible rash, headaches. They recovered and then had to be checked for brain damage, hearing loss and eye sight. It is a terrible disease and 5 years later they came out with the measles vaccine. I cannot imagine any parent wanting their children to risk catching the measles.

    • Evan Eberhardt

      And so, your kids were fine? Do you want to go spend a week with a child maimed for life from the MMR vaccine?

      It is well established complications from measles stems from a lack of vitamin A. But there is no money to be made there, so on we go with this ridiculous vaccine fanaticism rather than face it head on with nutrition as nature intended for countless millenia.

  • elizabetta

    There have been many studies with vaccines and ALL have concluded that there is no correlation between vaccines and autism or any other severe side effect. People on this site claim there’s “science” behind their illogical vaccine fears – well, try reading a peer-reviewed medical or scientific journal – there’s been no correlation found in all the studies done to date. Yes, people like Jenny McCarthy ran around saying vaccines caused autism for awhile so, you can either believe scientists or you can believe an actress / playboy bunny. Additionally, the parents of a child who just died in Spain complained that anti-vaxxers “tricked” them into believing vaccines were dangerous, and that if they only knew the consequences they would’ve vaccinated their child. Well, seeking out credible sources of information is a responsible parents job. Rejecting science in favor of something touted by playboy bunnies is not a good idea.

    • George Henry

      elizabetta – I guess you are unaware of the testimony of Dr. William Thompson, leading CDC vaccine researcher, who just this year testified before congress that his own research on the MMR vaccine was flawed. Data was left out proving that the MMR vaccine caused an increase in autism among African American children. In fact Pres. Obama has given him immunity from prosecution to testify on this further. Secondly, if vaccines are so safe why has the vaccine court set up by the US government awarded over $3 Billion to vaccine damaged families so far. You do know that blanked immunity from prosecution was given to pharma companies, do you not? If your child is injured or dies from a vaccine you can’t sue. How nice…. Perhaps you aren’t aware that also this year the Italian courts ruled that the mercury and aluminum in vaccines cause autism. Look it up, it’s true.

      • Autism is caused by the synergistic relationship between Glyphosate (GMO Herbicide in the food that causes poor digestive system health among other health problems like colitis, celiac sprue, crohn’s, gluten intolerance etc), Mercury and Aluminum.

        “1•Exposure to glyphosate correlates with chronic illness. Chronically ill people have significantly higher levels of glyphosate in their systems than healthy people.
        2•Glyphosate is an endocrine disruptor which is toxic to placental cells. This means it may impact our ability to conceive and carry healthy babies to term. It may also cause breast cancer.
        3•Glyphosate destroys the gut bacteria we need for good health. Scientists have observed that in chickens and cattle, glyphosate kills the good gut bacteria while leaving behind bacteria that causes food poisoning. Glyphosate’s negative impact on our microbiome may be the reason for increasing rates of allergies, celiac sprue and gluten intolerance, and colitis and Crohn’s disease.
        4•Glyphosate makes vaccines far more toxic than they would otherwise be. When children are overexposed to glyphosate, they are more likely to react badly to vaccination. There’s an intricate connection between the gut and the brain, such that an unhealthy digestive system translates into pathologies in the brain. Aluminum, mercury and glyphosate work synergistically to create severe deficiency in sulfate supplies to the brain. This may be what’s causing the epidemic levels of autism and other diseases such as Alzheimer’s.
        5•Glyphosate is a chelator that deprives living things of vital nutrients, vitamins and minerals. This is how glyphosate kills plants. It may also be how it’s killing people. Glyphosate-induced vitamin deficiency may be a factor in the growing cancer rates. Glyphosate has been directly linked to Non-Hodgkin’s Lymphoma. A recent meta-analysis found that exposure to glyphosate doubled the likelihood of contracting B cell lymphoma. Will the EPA consider this evidence and move to protect everyone from glyphosate?” (Probably not, since the biotech goons are inside the agency)

      • elizabetta

        There have been many studies done in the past twenty years by many different researchers that show no correlation between vaccines and autism. In other words, they found the incidence of autism to be the same in both vaccinated groups and non-vaccinated groups. In the case of Dr William Thompson, an anti-vaxxer (Hooker) re-evaluated the statistics from Thompsons 2004 study, which had found the incidence of autism to the the same in both vaccinated and non-vaccinated groups of school children. Rather than putting the subjects together in broader categories as Thompson had done, Hooker divided the categories down into smaller subsets of subjects – dividing them down by age, gender and race. Dividing subjects into smaller categories has the potential to create the illusion of statistical differences where none actually exist. In this case, it appeared as if African American boys who had been vaccinated had a higher incidence of autism than the ones who had not been vaccinated. Of course, this would skew the numbers to the opposite side in the other categories, by creating the illusion that all other categories of children who were vaccinated had LOWER incidence of autism than those were were not vaccinated – such as by creating the illusion that Caucasian girls, African American girls, Caucasian boys, Hispanic males, etc…. were all LESS likely to have autism if they were vaccinated.

        Anti-vaxxers have taken this to mean that results were falsified, when in fact they were not. This is a case of someone who came in and tried to manipulate statistics to get the result they wanted.

        • “4•Glyphosate makes vaccines far more toxic than they would otherwise be.
          When children are overexposed to glyphosate, they are more likely to
          react badly to vaccination. There’s an intricate connection between the
          gut and the brain, such that an unhealthy digestive system translates
          into pathologies in the brain. Aluminum, mercury and glyphosate work
          synergistically to create severe deficiency in sulfate supplies to the
          brain. This may be what’s causing the epidemic levels of autism and
          other diseases such as Alzheimer’s.”
          Read the rest below, shill. (And that first sentence is somewhat misleading, as vaccines would be toxic even if glyphosate wasn’t a factor! After all, vaccines are the disease/virus into which they claim to prevent. It is merely a patented virus delivery system to make money off of “believer” corpses such as yourself, eli. :))

          • elizabetta

            While some vaccines contain live, attenuated viruses, there are many other kinds as well, including inactivated vaccines, subunit vaccines, toxoid vaccines conjugate vaccines and DNA vaccines. Vaccines have eradicated many fatal and debilitating diseases, so you’d be hard pressed to find a convincing argument that they’re bad, unless you’re talking to a bunch of young conspiracy theorists who have never lived through an epidemic that killed half the population. BTW, my name’s not shill.

          • All I know is that I am not the one who supports poisoning children, so at least I am aligned on the proper side no matter what you jerks say.

    • celphelp

      The “studies” don’t prove there is no connection between the two. The studies say they haven’t found one. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Nice leap to conclusion.

      Not saying the studies which you are leaning on here are worthy.

      • elizabetta

        There’s no leap to conclusion – in studies, when the vaccinated groups and the non-vaccinated control groups have exactly the same incidence of autism, then that’s pretty good evidence that there is no correlation between vaccines and development of autism.

        • Probably because the control group had the same level of glyphosate in their blood from the toxic food, so it wasn’t a real test!
          If you think the industry, which has it in their interest to skew things in their favour, is protecting you? You won’t be around for much longer then, because they aren’t.

          • elizabetta

            It would be impossible to find a control group without glyphosate in their blood, since it’s in every food source imaginable now. I was not arguing with your stance on glyphosate – we have allowed corporations to contaminate our food chain with an untested product without any idea of what the long term ramifications will be. We have to worry about toxic pollutants in our food, our water, our air, and our soil, but people should stop worrying about vaccines.

          • So, worry about everything the corporations contaminate, but not the vaccine contaminated with toxic additives by the very same corporations? That doesn’t make any sense, that is like me telling you to worry about being stabbed in an alley, but not shot or burned?!

            Your illogical defense of vaccines is unwarranted and unjustified; unwarranted defenses usually come from SHILLS!

            If you love vaccines, by all means go get your flu shot every month and get your kids injected as much as possible, but absolutely do not try to force others to believe or accept them. You must be an illegal, eating up all the industry propaganda (perhaps you even WANT to poison US citizens, just like the industry/govt!).

            You:”Be worried about all the toxins in everything except the mercury, aluminum, polysorbate, etc laced vaccines!”
            (vaccines that you do not need, that cause severe health issues and make very specific companies that own them, lots and lots of government cash and the victims of said system cannot sue for damages!)
            Me:”You’re a nutcase, somebody call the whitecoats!”
            (But of course, you think I am the crazy one, right?)

          • Darlene McCarter

            With the technology today why is there not a safe vaccine, why all the nasty stuff in there?? I hate to see a return of small pox, diphtheria, tetanus and all the diseases that have been wiped out.

          • You should probably be more concerned about the antibiotic resistant bacteria and viruses that are becoming prevalent from this antibiotic over-using society.
            The cause is right before your eyes, when your environment is not healthy, neither is your populous (and its caused by your system).
            Read the others posts here (The ones that aren’t child poisoning supporting shills for industry crook goons), most communicable diseases are not prevalent with adequate hygiene and healthy food and environment.

        • celphelp

          Oh so now pretty good is good enough eh? I suppose it is since vaccine companies and the doctors who inject it are immune from prosecution… yeah, “pretty good” is good enough. I’d like to see what study you are siting.

          And just remember this one size fits all mantra is also a very dangerous part of the fold. There are people allergic to Egg and Peanut etc… Do they give those tests to a baby before they start injecting? Eh?

          Or maybe, we could flip that around, sounds “pretty good” to me. We could say these allergies are created by these vaccinations. How clever is that?

        • celphelp

          If you want to go down this road please cite the studies you are leaning on. And a personal request, please don’t link me to a wiki page.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Yeah, elizabetta, you have no worries about cellphone linking you to anything.

        • celphelp

          I would like to look at the details of this study you are citing. Please leave a link.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Why don’t you just run an honest query and find it yourself. We all know that you won’t read or credit the truth even if God on high told you to.

          • celphelp

            On what? I don’t see the original post here on Disqus

          • W. S. Byrd

            Then you must open your eyes.

          • celphelp

            LOL.

          • W. S. Byrd

            No answer deserves the same, so LOL.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Why don’t you just run an honest query and find it yourself.. We all know that you won’t read or credit the truth even if God on high told you to.

          • celphelp

            Thanks for the non reply.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Thanks for proving your dishonesty. I know the truth, and have related it. You are on a crusade to reinstate deadly diseases. If not, prove it.

          • celphelp

            You are the second level of abortion activists. Instead of killing and selling body parts for profit your position is in favor of destroying the minds and bodies of those who make it out of the womb. Enjoy the fruits of your death cult.

          • W. S. Byrd

            It has already been established more times than either of us can count, that vaccines have saved hundreds of millions of lives. Therefore, though nothing in this world is certain nor perfect, I am for saving lives. Men, women, and yes, children. You are for their deaths to satisfy your mentally aberrant fetishes.

          • celphelp

            Why bring God into it if you don’t believe. Nice deception.

          • W. S. Byrd

            So you admit to your evil dishonesty. All you do is deceive. Yet, except for a few of your fellow travelers, the only one really deceived is yourself.

  • Jane Elizabeth Nicolson

    How else are children in public schools going to be protected?

    • George Henry

      By their own healthy immune systems. The best defense against communicable disease is proper hygiene, clean water, nutritious food, exercise and rest. I’ve had a total of 4 vaccines in my life (I’m 65) and never had I had any of the diseases people are being vaccinated for except measles. Had it as a kid like all my friends and no one died. I haven’t had the flu in 55 years and never had the flu shot either.

      • Evan Eberhardt

        You are 100% correct, George. In fact, in children with poor immunity, the vaccines have very poor efficacy anyway (even though it’s all short-term skewed immunity regardless). There is no getting around the FACT that overall health is the key to any disease management. The time WASTED on this contrived vaccinology nonsense is unbelievable while our kids guzzle soda and GMOs and are becoming pre-diabetic in droves.

      • Jane Elizabeth Nicolson

        Basing only your experiences with health and applying it to the general population seems a bit naive…

        • See that is the problem with trying to help people, they won’t accept the Truth. If we give you the answers, will you learn to hear/read them, will you see that what we speak of is real or will you continue to live in a false realm filled with denial, deceit, poison and anguish?

  • Robert Cruder

    Yay!

    My parents witnessed diseases and provided vaccines to me as soon as they were available.

    I got diseases that could later be prevented and could not understand parents who could be so dismissive of their child’s risk.

    Since then, I have paid for immunizations against diseases that adults seldom get but could. For instance, when I needed a tetanus booster I asked for DPT.

    We are working for a similar law in Colorado.

    • Bruce Stewart

      Yep, we have epidemics every year with thousands of deaths because of the dismissive parents, right? How many deaths every year from prescription drugs? How about over a hundred thousand? Where’s the outrage? Working for more laws about that in Colorado?

      • Evan Eberhardt

        Why can’t so many people see the chasm between what is truly a threat today (modern medical ‘care’) versus the remote chance of dying from a communicable disease? Half the population is going to get cancer at some point in their lives, yet we are going to segregate children over vaccine choices? How is this time well spent for health? Oh, that’s right, it’s not about health. It’s about our corporate oligarchies slowly taking complete control of our lives and extinguishing this great experiment our brilliant forefathers devised.

        • It is merely a subtle tool to use.
          Its deception; when you see the system and its cronies doing something that obviously doesn’t make sense, it is like when a magician waves his right hand so he can maneuver his left. They are distracting you while they poison you, that is the US incorporated M.O.
          (That is why the media only talks about shootings, celebrities, sports, etc and not the real stories like 80% of the food being toxic to your health, or vaccines being bad. The media is in bed with the industry and corrupt system.)

    • Evan Eberhardt

      Yay? Only a fool cheers for mob tyranny. Read the Constitution sometimes, at least the the Bill of Rights.

      Who is ‘we’ here in Colorado working for similar laws? The big pharma shills? Are you one of them? The same corrupt people who forced flu shots on nurses?

      Well, this Coloradan will fight you tooth and nail to stop this government intrusion. And so will the Republican controlled senate.

  • megrinaldi

    This topic is complex: What we’re debating here is collective responsibility vs. individual freedom. We are a culture that touts individual choice over collective well being. In Holland, vaccines are mandatory. For the collective well being. We like socialism here when it’s convenient. The fact is, not vaccinating our kids is irresponsible. As much of a health advocate as I am, there are things that are necessary and socially responsible, or go live in a cave somewhere.

    • George Henry

      I’d be willing to bet in Holland, if it’s true that all vaccines are mandatory, that they’ve made them safe by taking out most or all of the toxic adjuvants that are still in our vaccines.

      • megrinaldi

        Excellent point. And with that, the crux of the conversation could shift from “for or against vaccines” to vaccines that are safer to use

        • Which don’t exist, that isn’t their purpose.

          Your NATURAL IMMUNE system does what these vaccines claim to do, don’t know why society slaves have to be so dumb.

          • James Peters

            Good luck with Ebola

          • Troll 0/10, go play in traffic.

          • James Peters

            You eat all that local, gluten-free, non GMO, and organic produce and see how far that gets you when it comes to pathogens

          • Will do and you can keep getting those monthly injections for the flu when it isn’t even flu season and do us all a favor and only eat Mcdonalds and Hot Pockets so you die ASAP.

          • James Peters

            The flu vaccine isn’t given monthly for a start. Also I wouldn’t touch food from McDonald’s with a bargepole, nor would I eat a Hot Pocket. No amount of healthy food will protect a person from pathogen’s, wishful thinking won’t change this

      • Evan Eberhardt

        Unfortunately, no. They believe in this crap too and have autism at alarming rates also.

      • W. S. Byrd

        I want to let this go, BUT I am intrigued. While there is almost no difference between Dutch vaccines and ours, would you be for them if “they’ve made them safe by taking out most or all of the toxic adjuvants”. I know I am going to enjoy your answer.

        Oh, and in case you didn’t know, vaccination is not compulsory in The Netherlands. Yet, over 95% of parents vaccinate. One simple truth here is, they can get away with that because with 95% protected, the odds an unvaccinated child will become ill are small. Of course, the Dutch do not have poverty like we do, and the general health of the population is better than the U.S.

    • Not really that complex when you break it down to the smaller bits, here it is in a nutshell:
      Align with the human perception/concepts that do not work or align with Nature that has always worked, simple as that.
      One is toxic, one is not, choose.
      One will destroy all life, the other will not, choose.
      One is poisoning you, the other nurtures you and allows your very existence and generates the very oxygen you breath. Choose!

      • megrinaldi

        Sorry. Things are not that black or white. Appreciate your thoughts though

        • Sorry you’re so blind, don’t worry, you’ll be shown the light soon enough.
          You cannot say that nature doesn’t sustain you and the US does, so you are outright wrong! Things are indeed that black and white.

          • megrinaldi

            wow! sorry you feel the need to be so defensive. that must be hard for you

          • No, laughing at inept slaves really isn’t difficult at all.
            I just try to help people and those such as yourself who refuse the help, I laugh at. Nothing hard about that at all.

  • George Henry

    Well Darlene I grew up in the 50’s and I got the measles like most of my friends. We were sick for a week or so, nothing serious happened and none of us died or were hospitalized. Because of that we are now immune for life. At least 5 people have died from getting the measles vaccine, and over 30,000 have reported adverse events from the shot. So which is more dangerous… the virus or the vaccine? Let it be known that the MMR vaccine contains recombinant human albumen garnered from aborted human fetuses. People who get the shot shed the measles virus for three weeks, meaning they themselves are contagious and can spread the disease. Lastly, all vaccines contain some or all of the following… mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, MSG, egg albumen, human recombinant albumen, GMO viral animal and human proteins, antibiotics, polysorbate 80 and several other toxic adjuvants. Do you really want to inject those things into your children, repeatedly, 30 or 40 times? Insanity.

    • W. S. Byrd

      The answer is: The Virus! It is a shame you can’t ask Roald Dahl. As for myself, by eyesight went from 20-15 to 20-240. Fifty years later, still the same. Measles epidemics have killed tens of thousands through the ages. Probably a lot more than that. And the other side effects have harmed millions more. No, I would rather there be no side effects, but the cost benefit ratio is a no-brainer in favor of vaccine. The California epidemic we just had is proof enough of that.

      • And I’m sure you’d drink the Anti-Freeze koolaid just because it was sweet, right?
        And of course, because some dumb crook who makes money selling it told you it was “Perfectly safe!”.

        • W. S. Byrd

          Which are ignorant insults, and not an argument based on fact and reason at all.

          🙂

          • You aren’t being reasonable, so why expect reason in response?

            Just because you think injecting poison that bypasses your natural immune system is beneficial doesn’t mean that it actually is, nor does it mean that anyone else should accept your concept of “disease prevention” when it is clearly SPREADING the disease and only the uneducated, such as yourself (not an insult, it just is), believe the industry and their lies while they take all of your money and you become riddled with health problems (or cash in your coffers, depending on which side of the shill story you happen to be on).

            I think we need to make it so that all the politicians who support war, must go themselves and send their children; All of the CEOs who support poisoning the food, must ingest it themselves for the time they intend to make others do so; Anyone who wants to forcefully inject poison into others, must inject themselves and their bloodlines first.

            You might be surprised to learn that anti-freeze is probably healthier than “Coca-Cola”, the GMO laced flavoured, colored water that only plebeians such as yourself drink. (And yes, anti-freeze is indeed sweet.)

          • W. S. Byrd

            You are either a liar or illiterate. Don’t worry, you are not worth my time. This is a fight we must win, and we are winning it.

            If you were even the least bit rational, you should be working to promote safety in life saving vaccines. Not destroy them altogether.

          • Go get injected. Yeah, I’m not worth your time because I speak the truth; Only shilling for the industry is worth your time because that is what you get paid to do!
            I have a feeling your shill screenname is “Word’Sa Byrd”.
            You provide no evidence to your “life saving vaccines”, as children are dying by the hundreds to your toxic injections. I’m sure the parents who live with their children and see their children change after your toxic injections (that they don’t even need, because they don’t have the disease and thus don’t need a vaccine anyway!). Their experience weighs more than your meaningless shill words. You are just too afraid to accept the reality, you don’t want your false realm to crash down around you, but I am here to tell you that it is going to whether you accept it, believe in it, or not.

            Sure, keep thinking you are winning, for you are weakest in your moment of celebration.
            Clearly, I am neither illiterate nor a liar, you are just a crotch-sitting industry shill who will protect the toxic industry no matter what people say or evidence they provide. After all, that is what you get paid to do.

          • W. S. Byrd

            You are at your weakest, because you are just weak. . . .

            As far as being a shill, I rather think you have proved that the only one here is you.

            I will say strongly that I was not going to say anything more, but you hit the magic button with your request for data. I gave you my true personal story and the observations that I have personally made and read about. You taunt, but you give absolutely nothing to support your ignorant views. So: Where is your evidence? REAL now. Not some shill paid nonsense.

            And do as you will, I will not waste another precious minute on this waste of time site.

          • Wow, sad.
            Yet, you keep replying and wasting more time! I don’t need to defend myself from your pathetic statements because everyone here can clearly see what a mindless zealot you are.
            Like I said before, go get your annual injections, pal.

          • W. S. Byrd

            So, you admit you have nothing except obstinacy, paranoia, and lies. What I already knew.

            All you have done since I arrived is call names. And you don’t even have a sense of humor about it. Darn, you can’t even call names well.

            I will get my injections, but only when and if they are necessary.

            In the 19th century, in Edinburgh Scotland, 85% of children never reached the age of 12. Almost entirely due to diseases considered preventable today. Most of Europe’s poor, that is, the bulk of the population at that time, was not much better off.

          • You seem to be the illiterate one, as I didn’t admit anything. All I did was say you are a waste of resources: Of carbon, of boron, of oxygen, of blood, bone, marrow, tissue. Everything, you are a waste of life.
            You love poisoning children, that is all that has to be said.
            “Can’t even call names well”? Yeah, I don’t get involved with Provoking Shills who try to whip people into a frenzy (and thus get them into trouble) by being a troll, like you.
            Believe whatever you want, it doesn’t give you the right to force mandatory injections on anyone but yourself and your own stupid family.

          • W. S. Byrd

            L-I-A-R. But you are right about one thing, you are shilling as fast as your opposition. Sorry, but I wanted to clarify what you said. Yes, the vaccine proponents want vaccines used. And it is a very big and lucrative business. BUT, vaccines work. Your way kills.

            And still, all you do is call names based on your lies. Not one scrap of evidence. Certainly, I am soon to be banned, because none of the lunatic fringe groups allow free speech. But, I am not a crusader for vaccines. I know they have literally saved billions of lives. Yes, billions. Yet, the only one crusading here is you. So, who is really the shill?

          • I’m sure you’ve got it setup so that every time you post, you hear a “Chick-ching” sound from your shill account growing bigger and bigger.
            Keep drinking the koolaid, as you can tell now I am just making you waste your time and laughing at you because you are irrelevant.
            “For, He wouldst only help thou which help thyself.”

          • I’ll post it again just for you since you obviously don’t have the capacity to scroll down and click “read more”:
            “4•Glyphosate makes vaccines far more toxic than they would otherwise be.
            When children are overexposed to glyphosate, they are more likely to
            react badly to vaccination. There’s an intricate connection between the
            gut and the brain, such that an unhealthy digestive system translates
            into pathologies in the brain. Aluminum, mercury and glyphosate work
            synergistically to create severe deficiency in sulfate supplies to the
            brain. This may be what’s causing the epidemic levels of autism and
            other diseases such as Alzheimer’s.”

          • W. S. Byrd

            No, it means Lies Ignorant A-hole Reality of Myth tells.

          • Mhmm, seems I struck a nerve with Mr.Word ‘Sda Byrd.
            Oh well, another “person” to laugh.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Struck a nerve with me? ROTFLMAO!

            You are the one that comes back to a dead end discussion you totally sucked at . . . nearly two weeks later! Get real, Unreality.

          • Do you have any more white/green-washing cheat sheets to spew lines from? Your comments are starting to get boring. I’m not going to let a cur like you get the last word just because you think I am not paying attention.

          • W. S. Byrd

            So, it is about having the last word. I just finished my second two year stint denying an idiot troll of that pleasure.

            So, since you admit that this is what this is about, after refusing to do anything except insult and spew ignorance, I will give you the game you want.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Here, it looks like you avoid the truth at every opportunity. Struck a nerve with me? ROTFLMAO!

            You are the one that comes back to a dead end discussion you totally sucked at . . . nearly two weeks later! Get real, Unreality.

          • James Peters

            Neither elemental aluminum or mercury is added to any vaccine

          • I didn’t specify, now did I? Go collect your petty industry cash and get lost.

          • James Peters

            No, you just think and imply it. If I got paid for every bad ad hominem, by someone who wants to poison the well then I would be rich. It would be nice for you to prove ”Big Pharma” pays shills?

          • No, YOU are the one that implied it. Nobody said elemental except you, troll. The proof is right here before our very eyes where jerks like you come out to defend a corrupt, toxic industry even though you got your way. Just can’t let people be upset about the toxicity of the society they live in and that proves you are a shill for the industry, whether you officially are (or are paid) or not. You are still defending the toxic, corrupt monopoly that is causing un-due harm onto ALL of life without justification or regard. If you think your fake little nation is so great that it can poison whatever it wants, well, THINK AGAIN!

          • James Peters

            I think you need to read what you said, and then look up what implied means. You stated mercury and aluminum are in vaccines, so you were the one what implied that they are both the elemental kind. You are also thinking they are too, but they aren’t. You should also learn what a troll is. A troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages. I’m not defending a corrupt and toxic industry (nice moving of the goal posts). Also I’m not a shill (again learn what a shill is). A shill is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization. Vaccines are not harming people and they aren’t poison either

          • Trolls are teams of industry-backing goons who attack other posters, which is what you, Byrd, and someone else are doing. I never specified elemental or not, so you can’t put words into my post. If you support the toxic monopoly, you are a problem and that is all that matters. If you support vaccines, go get vaccinated and let others make their own decisions. You have NO FOUNDATION or JUSTIFICATION to make others get vaccinated so F OFF! 🙂

          • W. S. Byrd

            In the case of Unreality, a troll is someone that keeps stirring up old posts and posters just to irritate. As well, they intrude with nothing but insults just to anger and shutdown conversation. AND, as Unreality stated to me quite plainly, she was going to have the last word. Even if she gave up trying two weeks ago, and wants to come back and play again.

            Leave me in peace, and you will have peace. Now TROLL, prove that you deserve that name!

            P.S. I doubt if anyone would bother spending a dime on paid posters like you to troll such a blog as this. Reading your posts would be sufficient to run off any inquisitive person that was reasonable sound mentally and emotionally. So, why pay.

          • James Peters

            Thats not what a troll is, a shill maybe, but not a troll. Shills tend to spend their time flooding sites like Amazon with glowing reviews of their company’s product using armies of sock puppets. When shills actually do go on message boards, they will almost never engage in debate – instead, they make one or two quick posts or perform a brief back-and-forth with a sock puppet and then leave permanently. I’m no fan of pharma, but vaccines are highly safe and effective

          • W. S. Byrd

            No, you reserve the right to lie continually and constantly.

          • celphelp

            Actually no. First off, the one size fits all current methodology doesn’t work at all. There are peanut and or egg in many of the shots, and I have never seen them test a newborn baby for these allergies before either injecting them or calling CPS on parents who decline. This is just one part of the problem. One size fits all needs to go, lazy billionaires.

            Next, the things they are giving vaccinations for are not a very big deal in the first place. Measles, Chicken Pox. The only way these could be life threatening is if you have a compromised immune system, most likely caused by vaccines in the first place.

            This topic along with many others across the planet will be null and void soon. The grass roots are winning against these big companies, no matter what the politicians are doing to try to protect these Multi billion dollar companies currently. You are on the wrong side Byrd. I am sure that once the side you currently oppose becomes the winning team in the media (even though we are winning behind the scenes) you will jump on board.

          • W. S. Byrd

            I almost did not reply. There is really no reason to, but I find it incredible that someone is as stupid as you people are.

            Tell your BS to Roald Dahl. Of course you can’t, but there are quite a few more that had similar experiences. You also did not read my post. My measles cost me a career as a pilot. I did not go blind, but my eyesight went from perfect to terrible.

            As well, there is history. We know from history that Diphtheria, Typhoid, Measles, Smallpox, and several other preventable diseases carried off hundreds of millions of people through the ages. Polio killed and ruined hundreds of thousands in the U.S. until Salk came along. Mumps made nearly half the men that had it sterile.

            In Edinburgh in the early 19th century, half of all infants died before the age of one. Eighty percent of the rest did not make it to 12. Women of course, were having 20+ pregnancies and few made it to the age of forty. AND yes, it matters because it has been observed that birth rates go down greatly when the children are healthy.

            In any case, your “winning behind the scenes” is hogwash. You only got where you have because of the perversity of the human mind influenced by your bombardment of lies. With real education, your movement is dead. Like your lying Autism theorist. Yeah, that is the point, we know he lied. And we have the evidence. That scumbag might still be in jail, but it is not my while to look.

            So, if it keeps you happy and passive, then of course think you are “winning.” Yet, we have already seen what happens when we let you have your way. Our children are too precious to let you murder them. So, complain to management. That would at least mean I would not have to listen to your idiocy any more.

          • celphelp

            You should not have replied. Especially if you are going to quote stats from 1900. BTW there are many things you can do to improve your eyesight, if that indeed is a true story.

          • W. S. Byrd

            There is nothing that can be done to improve my eyesight. Only a fool would carry on with the lies you do.

            Your remarks are typical. “Especially if you are going to quote stats from 1900.” Don’t read much, do you? Roald Dahl was mid-20th century. Edinburgh was early 19th. AND, most people have enough sense to actually have a rationale for saying something is wrong. Or is it, you just object to truth that happens at an inconvenient time.

          • celphelp

            Go take your meds.

          • W. S. Byrd

            The diseases that used to kill, are the same ones that would kill today. Our communities used to build up immunities, but it cost us 5-85% of our children to do it.

          • celphelp

            Lies. We never built up immunities to half the crap they are pushing now. Look this isn’t love vaccines, this is Public Stockholder Vaccines. Get it. Not your grandpa’s vaccine. Yeah we were building up immunity to HPV. You like weaving lies then calling me a lier. Typical. I was going to try an play nice with you. But you cry over non attacks, then you get offended over common sense, then you spew your own web of lies… and project on me that it is me. I realize many people respond to you here. I wasn’t trying to be that person to just take shots at you, even though you seem to like shots… Shots of which you probably never read the label or know what is inside. LOL. Have you? Have you read the label of any shot that has been injected into you?

          • Why do you think that I stopped being serious with them? There is no sense in reasoning with the unreasonable! The fake name is sign enough, Word ‘Sda Byrd is just trollin’. 🙂

          • This dude is living in the past.

            He’s still afraid of those communicable diseases that only bad-hygiene causes! Hahaha, what uncivilized swine. Stop living a mud pit of your own filth!

          • W. S. Byrd

            The proof that you lie was the rationale for passing this law to begin with.

          • Go get injected, nobody cares about your jibberish and twaddling, old man.
            You can try to insult me all you want (you will always fail, I am immune to human words) but the reality will still be clear: The document of this nation declares that we (The people and the states) have our rights to defend ourselves and our safety and health. If you want to affect our health or lives, you will have to get our permission first. You will NOT make anything mandatory, the only thing that needs to be mandatory in this day and age is the EXECUTION OF ALL THE CORRUPT!

          • You can improve your eyesight 100%…BY OPENING THEM!

          • W. S. Byrd

            Meaningless drivel. Are you on a Guinness Book quest for consecutive no content posts?

          • W. S. Byrd

            I am hoping to get banned soon. Then I would not have to listen to evil morons. I notice that linking to anything with any truth in it is forbidden here. . . . Imagine that.

          • celphelp

            What? Why would you get banned? I’ve never seen this site censor or ban anyone.

          • W. S. Byrd

            So, I can call you out for telling a falsehood? Which you just did.

          • celphelp

            Thousands of doctors would never vaccinate their children. Thousands more are too afraid to speak out… and thousands more have their head in the sand, and thousands more follow their medical school training without question. Thousands more love the easy money.

            Like I said one size fits all is a huge problem. A point you never addressed.

            Next point is that Big Phrma spending 100’s of millions of dollars on propaganda.

            Please tell me that at least you are against GMO’s and… well I will leave it at GMO’s

          • W. S. Byrd

            Yes, but millions of doctors worldwide do vaccinate. In any case, those doctors that don’t are selfish a–s. They know that their children are probably safe if the other 98-99% are vaccinated. Which kind of proves my point.

          • Okay, so here is your logic: As long as I poison your entire bloodlines, mine should be safe! You literally just said that.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Except, only a dangerously ill paranoid delusional thinks anyone is getting poisoned. In fact, your analogies are kind of a stupid joke.

            If I am poisoning your bloodline, then I am poisoning mine. My bloodline is actually not being poisoned, and is as healthy as can be. So, what is the logical conclusion that I must draw from your hare-brained analogy.

          • Or perhaps people with more sense and not cents. What I say must be working though, because they all love to target me! Means I am effective.

            Aww, little shill, am I irritating you? You’re welcome to leave me be because your empty, thought-less posts (that are only a diluted attempt at arguing for the sake of arguing, thinking that you will somehow win over me or get me to stop … you won’t) are blatantly obvious for all to see, that you are the shill and not ME! Tehehe~

          • W. S. Byrd

            Actually, I find you rather amusing. A person that says absolutely nothing that has any content, stays wound up over taking a beating in out-dated conversations, and seems scared of everything. I don’t have to say much of anything to get a chuckle.

            As far as leaving you be . . . I DID! Once again you willingly restarted a dead thread because of some mental anguish you feel over having your lies thrown back in your face. AND, you even got the last word several times. Yet, that still wasn’t enough.

          • Nah, I’m enjoying myself.
            It is like watching someone with low self-control spew nonsense because of their Tourette’s syndrome (or the homeless people that shout random things just to make noise). You’re hilarious! You also seem to have a doppleganger mentality, where as you copy anything I say and attempt to use it against me (Which is right from the trolling 101 playbook). Industry goons are pathetic and even if you aren’t one, you really are sad for supporting them. Keep defending them but those who do not get lost in your hollow words can see that vaccines maim and injure and anyone who supports them deserves to be maimed and injured back. 🙂 What goes around comes around.

          • W. S. Byrd

            I am glad that you are enjoying yourself. I have time. Years of it if necessary, or until they turn off this blog. Then we will see.

            I do enjoy that you have come to an understanding of your problems, and are willing to relate them publicly.

            And, . . . what went around, is coming back.

          • celphelp

            98-99% Cite that please. And even it it were true, why do you think that is?

          • W. S. Byrd

            No cite is necessary when the knowledge is common. The problem with your entire miasma of nonsense is, when you let anyone opt out for any reason, then the rate of immunization falls until large numbers of the unvaccinated become ill.

            Which, though it would be denied, is really what the law, and this article are all about.

          • celphelp

            Do you think we are aliens not adept to living long lives on this planet like the other animals do without all these vaccinations? Why do you think our immune systems are so fragile? Have you ever looked up all the complications from vaccinations? And the Deaths? And the Paralysis? That is also widespread over the globe.

          • W. S. Byrd

            You prove you know not one thing about life. You really don’t.

            I never said our immune systems are fragile. But, using Bubonic Plague as a guide, mortality rates approached 85%. Then, the children of the survivors did gain enough immunity to drive this down to 10-40%. However, their children’s immunity was nearly as absent as their grandparents.

            Like I said, you are dishonest. I have brought this up over a dozen times in this blog, and except for derision, I have not even got anyone to attempt an answer.

            Get the point, your question is impertinent, out of order, AND very meaningless until you can at least show a premise as to why 50% dying each generation from preventable disease is OK.

          • celphelp

            So this is your topic. this is the one you want to stick with. Bubonic Plague? Make certain.

          • W. S. Byrd

            YES, but only you want to stick with it. That is all your idea. Maybe, we could add tetanus, typhoid, diphtheria, whooping couch, polio, measles, rubella, mumps, chicken pox, SMALLPOX, etc.

            SO, are those your topics??? Are you going to STICK to ALL of those???

          • celphelp

            Common knowledge not so common these days I see.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Not for your kind that hates the truth.

          • celphelp

            Just go on believing that the Corporations who have immunity and are traded on Wall street have your best interests in mind.

          • W. S. Byrd

            You are one pent up and rather creepy troll. Trolling your own site. To what purpose? The facts remain the same. They won’t change no matter how hard you lie.

            Like right now. I never said I have any affinity for corporations at all. In fact, I have stated quite plainly that the opposite is true. But I guess you just need an army of straw men for support.

          • Unlike your side, we don’t unjustifiably remove people when they say things we don’t like! Haha. Besides, all the comedy would be gone if you left.

          • W. S. Byrd

            B*llsh*t. I have already seen it happen. That is why I brought it up.

            Even such a little thing as a citation, sets the ubercensor in this blog off.

          • No surprise that you can’t even figure out how to bypass the link filter.

          • W. S. Byrd

            It is absolutely, “No surprise that you can’t even figure out how to bypass the link filter.” And to boot, you could post to the Moon and I would not care. Yet, you have to post right at me in a blog that has been dead for two weeks.

            I bet your proverbial sh*t don’t stink. My, how special you are.

          • Of course that is just empty condescension, of course he was going to reply: He gets paid by the post! Badumtsh!
            @ Word ‘Sda Byrd: Go away Byrd, you’re a joke (which is why I didn’t have a real conversation with you).

          • W. S. Byrd

            You did not have a real conversation because you not only did not want to, but because you are not capable anyway. You just want to soapbox about your favorite hate.

            What I truly do not understand, is why someone would deny the obvious truth so strenuously. Do you enjoy dead kids? Like your “secret ingredients list.” Ninety-eight percent of it is pure scare tactic bull.

            So, just pull down your tin-foil hate tighter, and take another swig of Solox. You need it, and you need this blog real, real bad.

          • It is corpses like you that serve as good bird food swinging from a rope.
            No pun intended. Hey, Flock of a feather, right?!
            Keep posting though, you think your posts are hard-hitting but I skim over them and chuckle and then proceed to enjoy bashing you some more. Want to continue? By all means? Want real evidence? Nah, I rather like the thought that you enjoy injecting yourself with toxic chemicals.

          • W. S. Byrd

            “It is corpses like you that serve as good bird food swinging from a rope.”

            Insulting and untrue, and has about as much content as, well, . . . all the rest of the empty-headed nonsense you spew.

            AND YES, I do want real evidence. Of course, you cannot provide anything. Even when you go through the motions, all you do is quote your “vax shill of the day.”

            And liar, I had not posted to you in 13 days when you re-started this pointless exercise in ignorance. So, unless your morning took 13 days to happen, then I think you just caught yourself in another lie. Of course, it might have taken 13 days for you to come out of the Thorazine and Haldol haze..

          • Did you ask the birds? I think they would love pecking your eyes out! I don’t think you asked the birds, they agree with me, you absolutely would make great bird food! Go get injected and let others make their own decisions and lay off or you will regret it.

          • W. S. Byrd

            You are even lame with your insults. Pathetic.

            And, if you asked the “birds,” I think all you would get would be an eye full. If you understand what I mean.

            And, I have been injected. I have never gotten any of the diseases I have been vaccinated for.

          • celphelp

            So you find another job or start another business. I should ask about the airline you worked for, your name, Date City State and Hospital you were diagnosed, and what you did about it.

          • W. S. Byrd

            The fact that you ask means you really do know I told the truth. You are just fishing for dirt.

            And, those are requests for private information. If you desire private information, please post your date of birth, real birth name, your current alias(es), where you were born, where you live now, what schools you went to, and as unlikely as it is for you to have one, your current spouse.

            And, my dear nimrod, I never mentioned one word about any “airline.” That is your little fevered imagination.

            And, my dear teabugger Repub, we all should have the same opportunities. You have NO right to suggest anything to me. I could suggest in return that you start acting like a caring human that loved the truth. Of course, that would be a waste of breath.

          • celphelp

            You are the Schill. People who get paid to troll are in large part paid by the bigger Corporations. So they are on the Pro side of anything Corporate. Which you are. You lost your license, you don’t answer these questions. Your story is likely completely false. You see good enough to type replies here.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Believe whatever lie that is profitable for you. Heaven knows you have a myriad array of such.

            I just know what is obviously right. You are a far, far right libertardian. You fundamentally don’t care about right and wrong, but what you want. Like your remarks to me, and the fallacious remarks about the suffering of children from preventable diseases.

          • celphelp

            Pot/Kettle you have not uttered a word of regret about those who have suffered from vaccinations.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Actually, you have LIED once more. Yet, it is true that I do rejoice in the hundreds of millions that are alive because of vaccines.

            You, you POS, have not shed one tear at the desire to see tens of millions of people dead. So, comparing pots to kettles, would make you a set of black iron ware that could feed the whole planet.

          • celphelp

            You should probably stop replying since you are getting so worked up about some basic common knowledge things I am posting and asking you to think over.

          • W. S. Byrd

            I rather think you are the one getting worked up. True, I despise liars like nothing else in the world. Rapists, murderers, robbers, are all less heinous. That is a simple notion, because almost all of those criminals are inherently liars by nature. They can do anything, because they have no sense of the value or feelings of those they trespass upon.

            But, taking that fact into account, I am doing just fine. You wouldn’t worry about it so much if it weren’t for your own desperation. Of course, a friendly shillerator will happen along eventually and save you from the bad old believer in science.

          • celphelp

            I love science. So what is your point? That all science is at the apex of truth and honesty? That Science isn’t bent for political purposes? That science isn’t financed and paid for by agenda driven groups? Come out with it. Come on. Come on. Tip your hand Byrd.

          • W. S. Byrd

            You tipped your hand with claiming to love science.

            Maybe you should actually read what you post!

          • W. S. Byrd

            Why don’t you ask Roald Dahl’s family about the erroneous side effects of measles? As well, why don’t you check on worldwide statistics on how many children still die or are maimed from childhood diseases. Rather than continuing to lie and lie to troll me.

            I will point out, that you are very impertinent and that you have no right to be so. BUT, you continue to avoid making any direct replies to what I have said. I guess shilling pays better when you don’t get tied up with facts.

          • celphelp

            Those people in DisneyLand were all vaccinated.

          • W. S. Byrd

            LIAR!

          • celphelp

            Truth.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Correct! My answer was indeed completely true.

          • celphelp

            look it up.

          • W. S. Byrd

            I did. You lied!

          • celphelp

            And What of the side effects of vaccinations?

          • W. S. Byrd

            Easily shown to be less lethal and especially, a lot less total cases. Diphtheria epidemics that occasionally killed 50%+, just don’t happen anymore. Or at least they won’t, if we don’t listen to you.

            That was an easy one, and proves the entire bankruptcy of your position. Sorry, but that was not well thought out.

          • celphelp

            So being provax you have decided not to even peek at the statistics on the other side? Keeping yourself blind?

          • W. S. Byrd

            Dimwit, I have all about that dozens of times. Maybe, you should take your own advice!

            Oh yeah, the truth would embarrass you.

          • celphelp

            When my aunts and uncles contracted the measles people from all over town came by so they could get them too, and get over them. Chicken pox not so much but sometimes that happened. Maybe you had such a strong reaction because you were vaccinated. But I don’t know if you were, so that is a leap. Were you vaccinated?

          • W. S. Byrd

            Let’s just call what you said what it is. Lies.

            I was never vaccinated for measles, my dear small minded reading challenged friend. THAT has been one of the running points of this discussion.

            Do you ever read or think through what you write?

          • celphelp

            You lost your job cuz you couldn’t see. So how did you lose your eyesight. I am not reading the entire thread again. Say it plainly in one sentence.

            Yes, friends from all over town came by to get the infection at the same time. That way it was done and over with. No lies.

          • W. S. Byrd

            STILL LYING I SEE. Once again, I never said I LOST a job.

          • W. S. Byrd

            MY EYESIGHT DETERIORATED DO TO COMPLICATIONS FROM MEASLES.

            I HAVE SAID THIS PLAINLY TWICE BEFORE, AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS TOPICALLY ON A NUMBER OF OTHER OCCASIONS.

          • Like I keep trying to tell them, but you can’t talk sense into these types of “people”. They either 1. are too scared to accept the reality and have their false realm crumble around them or 2. are too ingrained in said society and don’t want it to fall or 3. actually on the side of the industry, either through ideological or financial terms and supports what they are doing and thus goes out to mindlessly defend them, even when they murder innocent children! (But oh, we, the ones calling such atrocities out, oh we’re the problem! Yeah right!)

          • W. S. Byrd

            1. The only one scared here is you. Scared of progress, scared of the truth, scared you might actually do something for someone.
            2. I am anti-capitalist. Certainly not in bed with Big Pharma. I am in bed with science, fact, and truth.
            3. See 2.
            3a. You have not given a credible example yet. In any case, the number of children murdered is near nil, while we know from history just how bad the epidemics were.

          • You are Anti-IQ and Anti-Logic. Your only concern is demonizing me because you have some special interest in doing it. Your words are not effective because they cannot apply to this situation. You are attempting to use the same tactics that people use against those who are corrupt, against me (and it isn’t going to work). It is a pathetic, disgusting, feeble attempt and I will continue to laugh at you. Everyone who pays attention already knows the information, you are just an industry goon who’s intent is to target the strongest poster and attempt to sabotage their efforts while offering confusion and deceit. We know you tactics and it isn’t going to work. Go shill somewhere else; I hear the mainstream media websites love posters like you! Yeah…you’re anti-capitalism like I am anti-life (so, NOT, in other words).

          • W. S. Byrd

            True, I am anti-capitalist, just like you are anti-life. So, we are finally agreeing a little.

            As for Anti-IQ and Anti-Logic, I have given examples and made statements that are easily verified. Your argument has consisted of insults and an references to known untruths.

          • celphelp

            There is science and then there is science. You are sadly mistaken if science and the Stock market can get along. That science isn’t science. Sorry to pop your balloon.

            So Reality of Truth did some lobbying and killed that kid you linked to? What? Get serious.

          • W. S. Byrd

            There is science. . . . Where does the stock market enter into the equation. Truth is truth. Just like science is science. No one needs your inane attempts at squirming, twisting, and spinning.

            The kid is dead. Read what I said. Not what you fantasize about when you build an army of straw men.

          • W. S. Byrd

            My “stupid family”? My “stupid family” is alive and intact because of vaccines. Your “stupid family” is alive because our vaccines’s prevent us from infecting you fatal illnesses.

            Read a little history. And then think about what life was like for humans until the advent of vaccines. That is all that needs to be said or examined.

          • Yes, your stupid family.
            Glad we both at least agree on this.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Yes, you are irrelevant. Not only what you say, but you personally.

            And except for childish insults, I have seen no attempts to either use reason or post facts. So, I rather think I am tying you up in your ignorance. Obviously, in your case, ignorance is not bliss. You definitely are “gnashing” teeth.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Correction, you are not worth my time because there is no advantage to engaging the insane, liars, or fools. With you making a hat-trick in that, you are a triple threat that I find no pleasure in engaging.

            Since you have nothing but mouth, and no evidence, and not one iota of rational thought, I think it is high time to leave and leave. Leave you to “stew in your own juice,” as I sometimes say.

          • Whatever dude, I’m just glad its peasants like you getting the injections and not me. Keep supporting the industry while they poison you and stab you in the back! Its really working, you’re really winning! Hahaha!

          • W. S. Byrd

            You still are not worth my time because there is no advantage to engaging the insane, liars, or fools. With you making a hat-trick in that, you are a triple threat that I find no pleasure in engaging.

            Since you have nothing but mouth, and no evidence, and not one iota of rational thought, I think it is high time to leave and leave. Leave you to “stew in your own juice,” as I sometimes say.

          • Not worth your time, yet here you are still wasting it. Let me count up your replies to my posts: FOURTEEN within one hour! Certainly seems like I am worth your time, aww, I am flattered. <3

          • W. S. Byrd

            You are the one that came back FOURTEEN days later to abuse my email. If you wanted to troll, FINE, but do so to someone that wants to hear you. Or, do it to the blog in general.

            I will again remind you that it was you, Unreality, that declared a posting war. NOT I.

          • W. S. Byrd

            So, here is another one to add to your collection.

            WHY do you people lie so? My FOURTEEN in one hour was in direct response to FOURTEEN of yours. AND, you restarted a dead blog after two weeks to do that!

            Why all in one one? Because I can compose coherent messages in a fourth of the time it does for you to (de)compose drivel.

          • celphelp

            I agree with the safety aspect. And I believe in the life saving aspect. I would prefer like everything else, come up with something whereas you wait until you have a problem before you need to take it. Not be Forced by law gun and CPS threats to have your newborn baby taken away if you don’t inject them at birth. Without tests. Soon they will just mandate mothers get all the shots while pregnant.

          • People wanting “safe vaccines” don’t understand that WE DON’T NEED VACCINES! Derp!~

          • W. S. Byrd

            We don’t need Unreality of Truth’s lies either. Derp!~

          • You mean the industry doesn’t need me pointing out how it is corrupt and makes its profits off of the corpses of US citizens. I could see why, from their perspective, that they would want me to stop and send their goon squad (after all, they only care about the green back!). However, I will not.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Except, though corporations and capitalism make their money oftentimes on the “corpses of US citizens,” there is no evidence that it is so in this case. You just made a claim that has been challenged repeatedly and successfully.

          • celphelp

            You got me there… I was bending my will to try and create a conversation. Big mistake.

          • W. S. Byrd

            You were trying to bend the will of another to conform with your untruth. . . .

          • celphelp

            Trying to start an actual conversation. You throw insults whilst accusing others of that exact thing. There isn’t much to your argument. Vaccines aren’t safe, why else would they get so far in bed with the government to avoid lawsuits related to vaccines. Why do they run the board of the secretive vaccine court, which coincidentally is going away due to new government deals. What say you? If you ran a company that did good for ppl would you need government protection? If you ran a business that harmed ppl would you need government protection. Trust me, you’ll never get the deals that Pharma and the vaccine industry gets.

          • W. S. Byrd

            HOW? I tried. I was told what to believe. Of course, I could easily see that what I was told to believe was evil, self-serving nonsense.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Except for finally, wearily pointing out your repetitive lies, I have not insulted you. Yet, when I give you an iron clad statement, you either twist it, answer something different, or ignore it. I take things head on most of the time, while you play a game of avoidance and false statements.

          • celphelp

            You threw out an insult on my very first post. and many subsequent posts. So smash that right now.

            You give nothing but your story of an eye infection from the measles. And a story of one kid. I have answered them both. The dangers and secrecy outweigh the risks. you have never even mentioned if you have ever read a single insert.

            If you are pro vaccine the why don’t you get on board and call them out. The first reason to call them out would be for transparency. The second would be for getting immunity from prosecution. I could add to the list but those two alone are enough to shut down your 2 points. 1 of which is about your eye infection and the other about 1 kid. How many people have died or been injured BY vaccines? Do you even know? Can you even begin to look up that information? Can you?

          • W. S. Byrd

            You threw out an insult on my very first post. and many subsequent posts. So smash that right now.

            More directly, you lied about my not giving anything else. You want to fixate on that one point because it is a personal insult to me for you to do so. Well, the answer will always be the same.

            ACTUALLY, my dear POS, how do you know that I have not “called them out.” You insulted and argued inanely and insanely right from the start.

          • celphelp

            No. Trying to find a common ground to start from. But you keep yourself locked in, you don’t venture out of your own belief to see the files on the other side of your argument.

          • W. S. Byrd

            You have done nothing from the start but attack. You, and all the rest of your mob here, did nothing but attack. I reasoned with you, and you want to denigrate the absolutely true, personal experiences that I related. If you wanted to check out for a “cause to believe,” then you would have found evidence. However, all you wanted to do was lie, deny, and accuse.

          • celphelp

            Lie

          • W. S. Byrd

            Lying comes oh, so easy to you. You impeached yourself with a post that does exactly what I accused you of. You have done nothing from the start but attack. You, and all the rest
            of your mob here, did nothing but attack. I reasoned with you, and you
            want to denigrate the absolutely true, personal experiences that I
            related. If you wanted to check out for a “cause to believe,” then you
            would have found evidence. However, all you wanted to do was lie, deny,
            and accuse.

          • celphelp

            To be clear, you have attacked from your first post. So another lie. How do you keep up with them all?

          • W. S. Byrd

            To be clear, you have attacked from your first post. So another lie. How do you keep up with them all?

            So, how do you? I certainly can’t keep track of all your lies. But, producing a bumper crop of lies does not somehow make any of them any lesser lies. So, again, how do you do it?

          • W. S. Byrd

            Just can’t seem to stop, can you? If you actually had something to say, then you had plenty of time to say it. But, you came back to stir up this mess a week later. What is your point?

          • celphelp

            You never give the last word. You just type more hate, lies and disinformation. I already told you Diquis gives me weekly updates. That’s why I always come back after about a week to see what you perverted. You already won in California so what is your beef? Go away and enjoy your fruits. People here already know your tired lies and deceit. You want government to take care of you and your state. That’s fine. Don’t ever try to move out. Stay there and marinate in what you created.

          • W. S. Byrd

            POS, you had the last word twice. But you just can’t stop. And the reason why is because we both know you brought nothing but an evil, over the top, no fact opinion to a discussion. THEN, you refused to discuss. Just attack and insult. So, you are just wound up that you should have your no-argument, non-discussion sustained. Or maybe, more simply, you are just a sociopathic nutjob. Well, I am going with the lot. Why skimp?

          • celphelp

            What makes you think I am wound up?

          • W. S. Byrd

            rotflmao!

            Your kidding, . . . right?

          • celphelp

            I think you are projecting again.

          • W. S. Byrd

            You continued efforts at futility, prove my point quite well.

            Yet, as I have said, I am merely reflecting your projections back at you.

            LOL!

          • celphelp

            Actually you.

          • W. S. Byrd

            You have done nothing from the start but attack. You, and all the rest
            of your mob here, did nothing but attack.. I reasoned with you, and you want to denigrate the absolutely true, personal experiences that I related. If you wanted to check out for a “cause to believe,” then you would have found evidence. However, all you wanted to do was lie, deny, and accuse.

          • celphelp

            Well, that was not my point. The cloak of secrecy and the no liability status of the industry, the one size fits all aspect of vaccines. They need to be at minimum legitimized by third parties that don’t take bribes or profit in any way by the findings. Etc etc. then those who take them blindly believing in the industry will be safe… or safer at minimum… and full disclosure at the time of the vaccination. Like in Philadelphia Dentists are required to tell the potential patient that amalgam fillings have serious health risks, and to define those risks.

          • Yeah, the US is winning this just like the US is winning the middle east, right? Bwuahah! What a joke.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Another false analogy. There are no connections between the two, whatsoever. As far as the Middle East, it is not the subject of this discussion, and you certainly, and very obviously, have no idea of my thoughts on that subject.

      • celphelp

        What is the benefit of which you speak? then maybe we can debate that a little. If we can find the time.

        And what exactly correlates your eyes sight problem to Measles.

        California had what, 20 people with measles, and the media went ballistic. That is purely propaganda, bought and paid for.

        But hey 30 killings every weekend in Detroit and Chicago… no big deal. 1 out of every 55 births has autism… no biggie. Every mass murderer in the past 20 years on some sort of prescription drug… barely a mention unless forced on live tv. GMO studies prove the massive negative effects on the Liver Kidneys and reproductive systems… and more. “Oh there is nothing wrong with GMO’s” C’mon. Lets get serious here. There are serious problems with vaccines today as well.

        • W. S. Byrd

          1. Then, you have already proven you don’t want to debate.
          2. You have proven many times before that you did not want to debate.
          3. Impertinent question asked by someone that either wants to be deceptive, or wants to remain ignorant of the facts.
          4. 20? BS. And in any case, Cali used to have that many die each year from measles. No one sane or honest wants that to return.
          5. Straw man! Humans killing humans is irrelevant to humans dying, or not dying, from disease. But, so very typical of those with your mindset.
          6. GMO? Same type of straw man.

          • celphelp

            Hey now… we don’t really have a defined debate topic. those aren’t straw men debates they are examples to show your silliness. The one here who is a lunatic about the vaccines is you but you don’t see it. You think it is me. LOL. Look. You got your PPAFA and you got your governor to sign a bill to mandate vaccines… why are you here crying?

          • Looks like Word’Sda Byrd here learned the term “Straw Man” and is now proceeding to toss it around loosely. Definitely an industry siding shill, no doubt (or merely an uninformed youth).

          • W. S. Byrd

            Poor little Unreality. Looks like he has his already well-filled panties in a bind.

            I have not seen one scrap of anything remotely resembling evidence yet. Certainly, coherent conversation is not your style.

          • The unreasonable do not deserve reason and especially not evidence they won’t even accept anyway. 🙂
            The only reason I can see you continuing this act is because you are 1. paid or 2. an unintellectual that functions on emotion and 3. have an interest in attempting to sabotage the efforts of people fighting for their rights and informing others to do the same.
            Spew whatever you want about me, people can clearly see I am not the issue nor the problem and it is goons like you who only attempt to confuse them and attack me. You should give up because it is just a waste of time.
            If you love vaccines, go get them! Be their supporter! But you cannot tell anyone else to get injected and you certainly will never make it mandatory.

          • W. S. Byrd

            You have not used any evidence. In fact, the evidence easily proves you wrong. As for reason, . . . give me a moment while I stop rolling on the floor laughing.

          • Its official.
            You are boring and there is no reason to respond to
            your posts anymore. Takes two to tango; I know you can’t accept that you
            nor your toxic society does anything wrong, but that is how it is. You’re clearly just an industry defender and you want to make me out to be the bad guy when clearly it is you. Say whatever you want, actions are louder than words and guess what chump, the earth incinerates you and all of your toxic society so you can blather all you want, in the end it will be all for naught. You are wasting your efforts in attacking me, because your words are instantly lost the moment you post them. The time you spent responding, thinking about the reply, all for naught. You’re going to keep attacking me regardless of what I post, which is why I (nor anyone else) will take you seriously. Like I said before, you can go get yourself injected but you cannot tell anyone else that they have to.

          • W. S. Byrd

            I already gave you the last word twice, and and I am not the one that restarts two week old discussion. So, I owe you neither apology nor courtesy. I am not an industry “anything.” it is about saving lives and what works. Can the “industry” be better? Of course. Any industry built on profit will never serve us 100%. Since I am an anti-capitalist, I feel that keenly. Yet, this discussion is not about that. The problem here is vaccines give us life, while your way gives us death.

            “Say whatever you want, actions are louder than words and guess what
            chump, the earth incinerates you and all of your toxic society so you
            can blather all you want, in the end it will be all for naught.”

            WOW! That says it all about you. No evidence, no discussion, just over the top ranting. As well, you delusionally assume you are going to win something. You already lost . . . billions of times. And my “toxic society” is going to be incinerated? You just said you would destroy the whole world to advance your irrationality. You need help. I mean really need help.

            As well, your entire thin facade is supported by nothing but lies. Your
            so-called science is just made up. That is, when you even see the need
            for any. And so I must say, the time you spent responding, thinking about the reply, all for naught. You’re going to keep attacking me regardless of what I post, which is why I (nor anyone else) will take you seriously.

            I am going to share our exchanges with other more normal people. A lot of people cannot understand that you exist, or why you should exist.

          • Blah Blah Blah, your a walking corpse.
            If you want to get injected, go get injected, you can’t tell anyone else to.
            Poor cretin, you spent all that time on your meaningless post and I didn’t read a word! I know I say this will be the last response, but I have many personalities and they all share one thing in common: They hate bottom feeder scum like you!
            Go collect your pathetic industry bribe money and get lost. Nobody cares about you, nobody likes you, nobody needs your disgusting rhetoric and nonsense that is merely a feeble attempt to demonize the people that actually care because you have a special interest to protect the monopoly and toxic crooks you serve. Get vaccinated if you want, nobody gives a F about you and you should be injected with everything known to man; But you can’t tell anyone else to so just shut up already you are a disgusting excuse of a life form.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Lying comes naturally to you. BUT, go ahead. It is still a free world in spite of you.

            As for getting injected, which seems to be a preoccupation with you, I have been as needed. I don’t need any right now, so I am not running out to get any.

            As far as being a walking corpse, I am sure I am a lot older than you. One could look at it like Vonnegut did and conclude that we are dying from the day we are born. As an old adage has it, no one gets out alive.

            And, if you want to live in a cave away from children that may catch your diseases, then I have no objection to you not be inoculated. Which correctly, it is inoculated. Injection is the chosen method much of the time. (Hmm, I wonder if insanity is contagious, so maybe you should live in a cave anyway.)

            Something just tells me you won’t stop. Since I know you are busting to do so, and since this blog seems designed for your kind, go ahead. Maybe we should keep a list of the posters, then send the nut catchers after all of you. (Just kidding.)

          • W. S. Byrd

            Well no, but you are definitely an ignorance siding shill, no doubt.

      • George Henry

        What California “epidemic” are you talking about? There were about 100 people who contracted measles at Disneyland. That’s out of 3 MILLION who visited the park. Hardly an epidemic! NO ONE DIED, and NO ONE LOST THEIR EYESIGHT. Thousands of my peers got the measles as a kid, myself included, and my eyesight is 20/20 at age 65! HALF of those who contracted the virus WERE ALREADY VACCINATED. This I challenge you to show me how “measles epidemics” have killed thousands. Vaccines are FULL of neurotoxic poisons and should NEVER be injected into human beings. Aluminum, formaldehyde, mercury and MSG are just a few of the adjuvents in these toxic concoctions. The MMR vaccine contains HUMAN RECOMBINANT ALBUMEN derived from ABORTED FETAL TISSUE. You want to inject his junk into your kids go right ahead… NOT MINE!

        • W. S. Byrd

          Your full of “you know what,” George. Like I said, if you could only
          read, the fact that you did not die, nor were maimed, does not apply at
          all to the lives of others. And, 100 preventable cases is a problem.
          Yet, the real point is, this is what happens when we allow a huge number of people to opt out. What if the same source, or those 100 infected, were to visit every community in California? Then we would have 100 (101) x 100. That is 10,000! AND, this in spite of the fact that the majority of kids are vaccinated. Don’t you get this is how epidemics start. And don’t even bother with the lie that having measles makes someone’s immune system stronger. It doesn’t

          As far as formaldehyde and MSG are concerned, you have more
          in your thick skull right now than are in any batch of vaccine. That
          is a true fact! And the stuff metabolizes out at a fast rate. So, what
          you said is meaningless. As for “ABORTED FETAL TISSUE,” is your
          problem with the “junk,” or are you a Fundie using that as a back-handed swipe at the MMR vaccine. AND, and I mean AND, your Recombinant Albumen is derived from yeast or bacteria cultures. YOU would know this if you quit listening to the tin-foil hat wearing crowd. Oh yeah, you are one of them. (The stuff they used to make at Cochran Foils was the best.) But, you should look it up instead of being so ignorant.

          • George Henry

            W.S. Byrd it is YOU who are full of you know what. Of course these are abstracts…. DERIVED FROM PEER REVIEWED STUDIES. If you want to read the studies you must PURCHASE THEM. There is enough evidence linking aluminum for instance to all sorts of neurological damage, the same amount contained in most of the wonderful vaccines you so heartily recommend, or excuse me mandate! So much of what you state is FALSE I don’t know where to begin. The cell lines used in the MMR vaccines WERE DERIVED FROM ABORTED FETAL TISSUE FROM HUMANS. And yes, NATURAL IMMUNITY is far superior to vaccine induced immunity which is usually temporary (hence the need for booster shots) and no harm is done to our own, innate immune systems from the vaccines themselves. Simple hygiene, nutritious diets, moderate exercise and enough sleep would prevent almost all communicable diseases. If YOU want to inject mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, MSG, GMO viral proteins, antibiotics, polysorbate 80 and God knows what else into YOUR kids go right ahead. After all only $3+ BILLION in compensation has been awarded to vaccine damaged people from the “vaccine court” for these “safe and effective” shots so no problem, go ahead and mandate them for YOUR KIDS but NOT MINE. Just remember folks, the government, along with the pharma companies who ALWAYS have your best interests at heart and who ALWAYS tells the truth, can put whatever they want into these dangerous shots. All one has to do is READ THE PACKAGE INSERT to see they are anything BUT safe and effective.

        • W. S. Byrd

          And jerk, my eyesight went from 20-15 to 20-220. BUT, you jerk,
          you already know that, DON’T YOU! So, you spit in someone’s face when they state a true and very personal story. So, I do take joy in knowing you people are on the way out.

          Oh, and have you heard they have now started with a test vaccine for the greatest killer of all? Malaria. That should make you real butt hurt.

  • Remove your children from schools that require Vaccination and perhaps even LEAVE california or any state that adopts this legislation.
    Then find the crooks in the system who support it and poison THEIR children with a vaccine and see if they like it. Hey, its mandatory so they can’t say it was a crime!

    • celphelp

      It’s obvious california doesn’t want us there anymore. Between the water shortages and the vaccine bill, the heightened electricity prices on those who use very little and so on. I just don’t want them all to come here where I live. Seems like these people in California find every way they can to screw up their state, then flee to new states where they start the process all over again. Mental illness.

      • Yeah, I left CO when all the somalians and californians moved in.
        Glad I left!
        I feel bad for cali too; Jerry Brown is a total crook who is gutting the state of life, all for corporate profits and agenda. He is literally going to starve and dehydrate the entire land while they frack such a dangerous tremor site and poison the ground water within, filter it, then resell from Nestle (BOYCOTT!). The crooks in our system are soul-less and shouldn’t exist, so it is up to us to make them that way!

  • Makes sense to me, I’ve been suspicious of the WW2 german scientists we
    brought over for a long time. It only makes sense that if you bring your
    enemy into your nation and give them potential for power, that they
    will seize it and use it against those who made them lose the war.
    But of course that doesn’t take into account the corrupt secret society who
    WANTS to maliciously poison and ruin the world. Can’t wait until it
    happens to them.

  • Robert Cruder

    The statin is covered by my insurance because it actually works and does not depend on faith. It costs my insurance $27 and will be less than $20 on 90-day delivery..

    TC and LDL are surrogate markers for atherosclerosis and not particularly good ones. The fact that statins lower both may be irrelevant beside the statistics that they reduce both stroke and myocardial infarction and extend lifespan. They have other actions probably unrelated to cholesterol such as reducing or reversing erectile dysfunction. In my case, long-standing joint pain from an old injury has disappeared.

    • Mike G

      So why are you here if you are fine with the current medical paradigm? You’ve obviously bought in to the industry funded and cherry picked “research”, and ignored the side effects (short and long term) that make statins dangerous and unhealthy. I suppose the fact that dietary cholesterol is no longer considered to be a factor in heart disease by the same authorities you site is not a consideration to you. I wish you the best of luck with your statins and hope that you somehow beat the odds and don’t suffer from the long term damage they have been proven to cause.

  • celphelp

    Look, it is one thing to mandate people get vaccinated and another to give people choice. You are obviously for imposing your will on all of humanity no matter the cost. For the child in this story there are thousands of cases of children being paralyzed as well as murdered after the vaccines. Next, they want to give so many vaccines now that it is completely ridiculous. I am alive and haven’t had even 1/20th of the vaccines that are now scheduled for children up to the low age of 7… in my whole life.

    You got a bad deal with whatever happened to you. Could it have been prevented with a healthy immune system?

    People who like to push their own will on the entire population due to a problem they had in life is what is now destroying this country… And the same in many other countries.

    I was in a car accident when I was 11. I didn’t try to ban all cars. It’s is kinda the opposite but the same.

    • W. S. Byrd

      There is no reason to refuse, except tall tales and paranoia. Vaccines work because everyone is vaccinated.

      Of course, why don’t we do it your way. EXCEPT, that when you test positive the hospital just puts you out on the curb. No need to waste my, and my children’s healthcare on someone that intentionally endangers himself.

      • You go get vaccinated, let others make their own decisions.

      • celphelp

        If you want to make this about me…
        I have not been to a doctor for anything but a drug test and a broken arm. I did get a couple shots at age 6 for school. I have them written down. Obviously the trust in human adults from a 6 year old skewed my perception.

        • W. S. Byrd

          Then you just proved all I said! In fact, if that is all that is wrong with you, besides your mental, emotional challenges, then you should feel blessed.

          People die everyday, Nimrod, is it all about the fact that they should be as healthy as you? And, believe me, you will get your turn with Eternity soon enough.

          • celphelp

            So you believe in God, most on the side of God are against Vaccines. But you could somehow turn that into God created humans and science so we could have these vaccines.

            Have you read the link to the Polio fraud I posted for you? Never let a disaster go to waste.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Well, you made one meaningless statement. Most? That does not prove anything. As well, ignorance seems to go with a very fundamental religious belief. That proves nothing either except exactly what I said. As for what God created, I don’t think you made any point. If God truly exists, then He does not need your input or your interpretations.

            As far as any Polio fraud, if you are talking about anything except the compounding errors after the initial success of the vaccine, then you are sadly the only fraud here. I worked with two people that had iron lungs because of respiratory weakness. I worked with two more that had leg braces. I had one friend that did. I knew at least three more that had braces, and two confined to wheelchairs, AND I had a cousin that had leg braces from having polio. No one I knew, nor no one in my family died of polio, but I have friends that did have family members die.

            Really, what I think of when I listen to you, is unmitigated evil. You really don’t give a damn about the pain and suffering of others. The world is all about you and what you want to force on others.

          • celphelp

            that simply means you didn’t read the link. So sad. You might be here thinking about the miracle of the vaccine back then. But unless you read the story I linked, you will remain in the dark.

          • W. S. Byrd

            True. I have read so many of these “links,” that go no where, or have been disproven, or are just so ludicrous as to make one wonder if they weren’t sad jokes. I did not want to bother wasting time on the same old, same old.

          • celphelp

            What say you about the whistle Blower who came out and told how he helped the CDC cover up the link between MMR and Autism?

          • W. S. Byrd

            I already did. He couldn’t tell a straight story twice the same way. In fact, you FAILED, as I asked you what his real profession was. I know, but you obviously don’t.

            Independent researchers, i.e. those with no connection to the CDC, have come to the same “no connection” conclusions.

            As well, as I related, a good basic understanding of statistics indicates that there never was a reason to suspect a connection.

            By even bringing up the “autism connection,” you expose yourself to the frauds that Dr. Wakey committed. Confirmed and proven to committed. AND then, why would we want to even listen to known liars?

          • celphelp

            They could be healthy as me. I am no health saint. But I do my best. How many times have you been to the hospital for normal every day BS? Talk about someone who is using up resources for no reason. The people who frequent hospitals and emergency rooms for the least serious reasons are the ones choking the systems. As you told me once someplace above that you would like to see me rot of disease rather than waste a $ treating me if I weren’t vaccinated. I say to you, I am not the one wasting the resources.

          • W. S. Byrd

            So, you will try to talk around the truth of the matter. . . . Not surprising. I suppose if someone were to die, it would be all their own fault because they could have been as healthy as you.

            IF they had only wanted to be!! I certainly should “roll on the floor,” but it won’t be from laughing, but disbelief.

          • celphelp

            So this is where your conversation falls apart. You are suggesting that because they don’t want to take care of themselves, I should be mandated to take vaccines. Yeah. That’s a great argument. WOW. you should be rolling on the floor, and not from laughing or disbelief.

          • W. S. Byrd

            I don’t care if you drink out of a hog latrine. People that are around other people need to be protected. Since we live in a world and society that fears disease, AND has the technology to prevent much of that disease, it would be asinine to suggest as you do.

          • celphelp

            We didn’t know about the exemption back then. But I never received shots again. I moved a lot. It never came up. I went through the Chicken pox at age 3 no problems. It itched a little, I think we used calamine lotion or something.

            When I got the shots at 6 I had a full cold shiver through my body from head to toe which didn’t seem right. I still remember that. How would I know exactly how it affected me? I think they did. But now many years later I have taken steps to cleanse my body of everything I possibly could.

            You might say I am living breathing proof that vaccines work and don’t hurt. But that was the only time I ever took them. Back then the schedule was for more than that. But not nearly what it is today. We aren’t talking about just a couple shots. Have you seen the schedule for todays kids growing up?

            And if you are into vaccinations… apparently they wear off… so it is probably time for you to get your boosters. Or are you not practicing what you preach?

          • W. S. Byrd

            1. Once again, SO WHAT if you had Chicken Pox and were fine. YOU are not the point. Stop being the center of everyone else’s Universe.
            2. You had chills, etc. Well, using your own warped theories, let’s just say you survived unscathed. In fact, depending on the vaccine, the chills and mild fever may have been intended. IF your body does not react to the vaccine at all, then you will definitely not gain any immunity.
            3. As for boosters, I do fall behind, but I believe I am up to date. You cannot be in my “line of work” and be unprotected for very long.
            4. And again, you are protected as long as the rest of us “take our medicine.” Given there is a slight risk from the vaccines, what makes little precious you so special that you get all the advantages, without any of OUR risk?

            Yeah I know, you are just too special.

          • celphelp

            1. You use your story, I use mine. simple.
            2. Lets not say I survived unscathed.
            3. And I am not attempting to disallow you to get vaccinated, unlike you are attempting to mandate me to get vaccinated. See the difference?
            4. There. You admitted risk. WOW. I think my work is done here.

          • W. S. Byrd

            4. In order for your work to be done here, you actually had to have done some.

          • W. S. Byrd

            2. What does that even mean? That you NEEDED some vax?

          • W. S. Byrd

            1. You have not shown the coherency, mental capability, emotional stability, or reading comprehension to even understand my story. You admit that with your inane ramblings.

          • W. S. Byrd

            I am for protecting children with the best methods we have. What you do personally, like live in a cave, I have not a care.

          • celphelp

            No people use the doctors office way too much for very trivial things, and this helps to skyrocket my own health insurance. I am blessed? Yeah you would go that route. That way you can write it off. That is like saying Someone who worked their way to riches is Lucky.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Some people do, but as a good fruit-loop teabug, you portray everyone else in the worst light.

            By the way, I did not see a doctor for over 20 years at one point.

            Someone that worked their way to riches WAS lucky. What guarantees anyone success? Yes indeed, you are a teabug.

          • celphelp

            Wow. Do you make up things as you go along and insert them into the conversation alluding to the idea that I presented those inserts first? You are the lowest of the low. And you are projecting.

          • W. S. Byrd

            You DID. So I am merely reflecting, not projecting. In fact, I quoted you verbatim. You still lie anyway.

    • W. S. Byrd

      In Kentucky recently, almost 50% of a good “christian” school was out sick with whooping cough. They were assumedly all rather healthy before they got sick. That had to close the place down and fumigate. Now, they reversed their policy and are asking people to vaccinate.

      That is just an isolated case of what you would give us if you were allowed to do what you please.

      And please don’t tell me that is not a dangerous disease.

      • celphelp

        You said ASKING you didn’t say Mandating. are you starting to understand?

        Give me the link to the story. I prefer to know what we are discussing.

        • W. S. Byrd

          NO, I do not understand anything except your perversity and unreasonableness. You challenge me to get another job, though I had a career that I loved and was given no alternatives.

          ON the other hand, I challenged you to use your right to live away from decent human society, and you remain silent. If you cannot infect my children, or are at least trying not to, then I will ask nothing from you.

          • celphelp

            People who carry the virus, shed the virus. People who utilize their immune systems destroy the virus. Understand that.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Sure, they shed it by infecting a large number of unvaccinated around them. Once again, that was not well thought out, as that is exactly how epidemics start.

            People don’t “utilize” their immune systems. That just shows how far into la-la land you are.

          • celphelp

            People do utilize their immune systems. And people also keep them in top shape.

          • W. S. Byrd

            People can do what they can to maintain their health. Nothing more.

            The body utilizes its immune system. It is not a force of will.

          • celphelp

            There actually are things you can do. Mental Physical and Other.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Like disagree with Teanderthals like you. Yesiree!

          • celphelp

            LOL. So Bypass the bodies natural systems by injecting directly to the blood stream. Then shed, then say it is the the fault of the unvaccinated. Are you insane?

            Some people who are unvaccinated don’t have strong immune systems, that is a given. They might come down with a disease due to your shedding. But I won’t, nor will my kids. That is where choice comes in. some use it responsibly, some don’t. It is the world we live in.

            However if you ARE vaccinated… don’t be scared. That means you are safe. Right? Wrong. And why is that wrong? I bet you want to tell me that answer so bad.

          • W. S. Byrd

            The bodies natural systems are not being bypassed. That is just your core falsehood being repeated. NO, the bodies natural system is being triggered into action. There is no argument about that. None!

          • celphelp

            Yes there is. There is volumes of argument about that one.

          • W. S. Byrd

            You do blow volumes, but your argument is non-existent. First year human biology students know you are wrong in the first month of class.

            Go just about anywhere, and find out how vax work.

          • celphelp

            LOL.

          • celphelp

            LOL. You don’t even understand how the medical field is corrupted at it’s earliest stages even before college. But definitely once in college. You are not only having physical sight problems, but you are blind in many other ways as well.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Which was an attempt at insult that only indicates how incoherent you actually are.

          • celphelp

            You are so blind.

          • W. S. Byrd

            NO, my eyesight became impaired from measles, but I am not intentionally totally blind to the truth, as you are.

          • celphelp

            Let it go. although there is probably A LOT you can do about whatever condition you are in. Especially seeing that you are on sites dealing with health. But since you won’t, just let your past life go and accept your disability. And please… stay out of the hospital.

          • W. S. Byrd

            This is not a site dealing with health.

            As for letting it go. I did, multiple times. Yet, you want to directly attack me long after the discussion is over. I do realize, that it is what you shills do, but just doesn’t make coherent sense.

          • celphelp

            Is what I do, is use Disqus, and every now and then they send me an email with updates about people who have responded to me. So I look at it and in this case, I respond.

            There are plenty of things out there right now that heal the eye sight. Of course I don’t know exactly your eyesight problem. I can tell you technology has come a long way in that regard.

            What sense have you made? Herd immunity, lost eyesight, and a link to one individual story about one kid.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Is what I do, is use Disqus, and every now and then they send me an
            email with updates about people who have responded to me. So I look at
            it and in this case, I respond.

          • W. S. Byrd

            NAME ANYTHING that will heal any eye problem. There are aids certainly. There are risky treatments that are applied when a person is sightless. Yet, I defy you to back up that hateful lie.

            What a POS you are. What hate you show for your fellow humans.

          • celphelp

            Because you won’t give details, about anything, including your eyesight… I am not going to trouble myself. But if I can figure it out, small minded little me… I’m certain an intelligent level headed open minded person like you could certainly find the information. Nothing to do with surgery.

          • W. S. Byrd

            I gave details. Try to read something that is written, instead of just assuming everything is wrong that does not parrot your lies.

            IF you were not going to trouble yourself? Trouble yourself with what?

            Small minded little you? Yep! As for your lies, I am fully aware of them and have no desire to revisit them. On the other hand, there are volumes of information out there that disprove your entire mantra. You don’t want to know.

          • celphelp

            Post a link and I will dissect it.

          • W. S. Byrd

            1. I don’t post links because they are:
            a. common knowledge
            b. easy to find
            c. you will just ignore them.
            2. I already did. So, refer to “1.”

          • celphelp

            Your diet.

          • W. S. Byrd

            My mother has a clock that sounds just like you. Every hour, on the hour.

            You love nutso ideas and falsehoods, don’t you.

            I know, up north there is a fountain of youth that will enable you to live forever. All you have to do is drink all of it. It’s called Lake Huron. Go give it a try.

          • W. S. Byrd

            My mother has a clock that sounds just like you. Every hour, on the hour.

            You love nutso ideas and falsehoods, don’t you.

            I know, up north there is a fountain of youth that will enable you to live forever. All you have to do is drink all of it. It’s called Lake Huron. Go give it a try.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Okay, just name some conditions, and then give the treatments that will fix the problem. ROTFL!

            On the other hand, your sick views are never going to be funny.

          • celphelp

            I have lived away from society. It was refreshing. But I am back now. And I am not infecting your kids because I have no infections. No disease.

          • W. S. Byrd

            Then you confess yourself as a liar, because no one can pronounce that.

            By the way, why prison were you in?

          • celphelp

            Prison? You have taken too many vaccinations. What a creep.

          • W. S. Byrd

            What prison were you in? Or is it, you are as anti-social as you seem?

          • W. S. Byrd

            My, my, do we have our little panties in a bunch, or what? This conversation ended weeks ago. Yet, here you are.

          • celphelp

            If it ended weeks ago why are you still here? Pot / Kettle?

          • W. S. Byrd

            Because you returned.

  • James Peters

    There are other complications from measles. Like diarrhoea, vomiting, middle ear infection (otitis media), which can cause earache, eye infection (conjunctivitis), inflammation of the voice box (laryngitis), pneumonia, bronchitis and croup (infections of the airways and lungs), fits caused by a fever (febrile seizures). Also liver infection (hepatitis), misalignment of the eyes (squint), if the virus affects the nerves and muscles of the eye, infection of the membranes surrounding the brain and spinal cord (meningitis) and infection of the brain itself (encephalitis). Also serious eye disorders, such as an infection of the optic nerve (the nerve that transmits information from the eye to the brain), known as optic neuritis, which can lead to blindness, heart and nervous system problems, a fatal brain complication known as subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE), which can sometimes occur several years after measles however, this is very rare, occurring in only one in every 25,000 cases of measles. If you are not immune to measles and you become infected while you are pregnant, there is a risk of: a miscarriage, stillbirth, your baby being born prematurely (before the 37th week of pregnancy) or your baby having a low birthweight

  • Linking dailykos, typical. Flame/click-bait stories are a hit with this one!
    But oh, the industry destroying the entire world for profits, oh that doesn’t matter and I’m crazy for even thinking its happening (even though the monarch butterfly is almost extinct from toxic chemicals and GE crops ruining their food supply and migration routes!).

    • W. S. Byrd

      Are you able to come out of your house? Seems everything in the world is too dangerous.

    • W. S. Byrd

      That “flame bait story” is a true reporting of a very tragic, and very true event. You not only are dishonest, but hateful to the point of evil. That child means nothing to you, but it does to me. That child did not have to die, but people like you lobbied against fact and good sense.

      You are some libertardian tea-potter. The exact people that have turned American politics into some kind of circus side show.

  • W. S. Byrd

    George, you really should try the truth for a change. The prime instigator for the autism link, the reviled EX-Dr. Wakefield, has been proven to had a serious conflict of interest, AND out-right falsified data.

    I am not going to go through a bunch of cherry picked trash that I know you got from a cite run by shills. Especially, since you certainly never read any of these and probably do not understand any of what they say. But, I chose one at random. Your Neurological Complications of Pertussis Immunization is a case study from 1958, and does address exactly what you want it to, BUT, and that BUT is huge, the cost benefit ratio is clearly on the side of the vaccine. This is just a study of the side effects. Would you want a gangrenous leg sawn off, or would you be more worried about the side effect of a bad suture?

    Like your Hep B rot. Would you rather have a lifetime of Hep B?

    I also denounce you in the strongest terms! None of the articles I checked are “peer reviewed.” Most are just abstracts. I can write one of those with my eyes closed. And, your 175 so-called reviews, are not only mostly discredited, but dwarfed by thousands that have completely different conclusions.

    The conclusion is, you do not even know what a peer review is, or even a review. You just wave a lot of paper around to wow the gullible. It’s whats on that paper that counts. And you sure ain’t got much!

  • celphelp

    Scare tactics won’t work.

    • W. S. Byrd

      Facts are scare tactics? And it goes without saying, that facts don’t work on you.

  • W. S. Byrd

    Since you did not refute anything I said, I merely point out that all your words constitute nothing. What I said stands.

    • George Henry

      CDC Whistleblower and senior vaccine researcher Dr. William Thompson testified before congress that there was a 350% INCREASE in autism among African American children who received the MMR vaccine. He claims his research was fraudulently redacted and the evidence was left out of the report by the CDC. Explain this Mr. Byrd! Oh, and President Obama just gave Mr. Thompson immunity so he could testify to this fraud again!

      • W. S. Byrd

        Easy to explain. Most of it isn’t true. So simple. . . . The “facts” of the case are not even plain at all, because your anti-vaxxer does not tell a straight, coherent, and especially, consistent story. Of course, your dear ex-Dr. Wakefield is all over this for him.

        I bet you don’t even know what field Thompson is trained in. If you do, then we can both get a good laugh. All Thompson has proven so far, is he tried to help an incompetent prove something that he really couldn’t.

        Like Wakefield, you people don’t get that when you lie, people are less likely to pay attention to you as time goes on. Unless you are just flat out insane, then conspiracies are the “thing.”

        The short answer is, there really isn’t anything yet to explain.

        AND, the CDC has concluded there never was a spike in autism in recent years. You should learn why. I understand it very well, though I am a Geoscientist. All it takes is some advanced arithmetic skills and basic logic.