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California One Step Closer to Eliminating Vaccine Exemptions

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Other states are considering similar moves. We need to act before a dangerous precedent is set for the rest of the country. Urgent, multi-state Action Alerts!

Last week, the California Education Committee voted in favor of SB 277, a bill that would eliminate all personal belief and religious exemptions to vaccination. Under this law, the only way for a child to attend a private or public school without being vaccinated would be through a very difficult to get medical waiver. We and others issued alerts to our California members, but the large number of messages against the bill did not turn the tide in a committee stacked with proponents.

The bill’s next stop is the Senate Judiciary Committee, where most of the members are either co-sponsors of the bill or have already voted for it. If approved in the Judiciary Committee, it would then get a Senate floor vote before moving into a General Assembly Committee, then to the General Assembly floor, and then to the governor’s desk to be signed into law.

SB 277 was first heard in the Education Committee on April 15, when over 700 protestors opposing the legislation flooded the state Capitol. During public testimony, about fifty members of the public spoke in favor of the bill for six minutes; news reports said that opponents dressed in matching red shirts testified for nearly two hours, “lining up out of the hearing room and convening in stairwells,” forcing the committee to delay a vote as they tinkered with some of the provisions.

On April 22, SB 277 was on the agenda again, but as a “vote only” item so that the public could not weigh in again. The bill passed by a vote of 7–2, clearing it for the Judiciary Committee on April 28. Two of the representatives who voted in favor, including the bill’s author, Richard Pan, take political money from Big Pharma. Two others in favor take money from health professionals, who often have financial incentives to vaccinate as many of their patients as possible.

It is imperative that we kill this as soon as possible. The more success this bill has as it winds its way through California’s legislative process, the more proponents of similar legislation in other states will be emboldened to continue their efforts to needlessly force vaccinations on our children. There are already scores of bills in states across the country to remove exemptions and mandate certain vaccines for public school attendance.

The current mania of anti-exemption bills was triggered by measles outbreaks at Disneyland—outbreaks that included vaccinated children and may in fact have been set off by vaccinated children, because the live vaccine virus can be contagious, and vaccine immunity may be weak and in any case does not last. We have already pointed out that no one has died of measles in recent times, while children have died from the vaccine. The media have done an excellent job in ratcheting up unwarranted fear. Let’s keep in mind that there have been under 200 cases of measles in a population of 320 million people.

Urgent Action Alert! California residents, write and call your representatives and tell them to vote NO on SB 277! Please send your message immediately.

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Other state-based Action Alerts! Check below to see if your state is considering legislation to eliminate vaccine exemptions, and take action immediately!

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  • omni

    only defense-home schooling-the fix is obviously in.

    • vicki trusselli

      Home schooling to raise your kids in a bubble. I am a firm believer in public schools and vaccines. My first degree was in health. OMG.

      • omni

        I respect other people’s opinions/preferences. Too bad I do not get the same respect in return. FORCED medical treatment is tyranny. In this case fueled by big pharma money buying politicians and bureaucrats.

      • Cynddy

        Three of my kids are homeschooled. Two have degrees, one has multiple degrees, the Vaccine damaged one has a GED. I took them out because the school was failing them. There was no bubble. We took them to see the world… Wales, England, Morocco, Netherlands, Turkey. They had friends and outside activities. They are independent thinkers, not indoctrinated fools.

        • northstate

          And, all those countries mandate school attendance, if you are a citizen. GED’s are not widely respected. Sorry for your kids.

  • TonysTake

    Legislators (A.K.A. Politicians) will take the money rather than doing the right thing. Pull your kids out of the brainwashing centers (A.K.A. Public Schools) if you want to keep them safe and sane.

    • towercam

      I’m sorry, but no.
      On this matter, yours is standard lazy thinking.
      You’ve decided it’s better to turn your back than to work to make it better. Phooey.
      That kind of attitude ruins nations. It’s divisive lazy talk. Time to face up.

      You want a happy, healthy nation, but you don’t want to do the work to make it that way. Bad move, if you actually care about this nation.

      Many adopt a political ‘team’ and stop thinking about that teams suitability to run things.
      ‘My team, right or wrong!’ is the general sentiment.
      That closed minded view leads to bad times like we’ve seen at the hands of the Republicans.

      The Republican politicians are particularly bad now, being the puppets of several dirty industries that don’t give a damn about human welfare and are willing to buy the most skilled propaganda artists to paint them as religiously moral people…which they truly aren’t.
      They’re mainly dirty lawyers who only care about money and power. Please stop voting for them.

      There are times when one’s political ‘team’ is Not worthy of one’s vote.
      It’s the duty of the voter to truly THINK about what he/she backing, and the consequences.

      Real men seek the truth, not the crap some propaganda machine is squirting out.
      Get skeptical, not cynical.
      All is not lost.

      • Mr. Cash

        towercam, I agree with everything you state, minus the attack on Republicans. It’s the majority of Politicians on both sides that do not have our best interests in mind, but their own agendas. What you state supports the role of individual freedoms, but Liberal agenda pushes for sanctioned freedoms, while certain Republicans push for Corporate gains under the guise of Religious sanctity. Everyone should think for themselves, research for themselves and have the freedom to choose for themselves as well as their children. If the only public requirement on getting vaccines is through public school attendance, then so be it, for one to choose to remove their child from the public system.

        The health concern for people not being vaccinated is in regards to those individuals who cannot be vaccinated for health reasons, such as cancer patients or other immunosuppressed individuals. I agree that some vaccines should be tested further for their interactions with the human mind and body, but vaccinations are a social concern, not an individual one.

        • TonysTake

          If people believed that vaccines were safe and that they worked, I fail to see why they are so scared that they intend to force unwanted medications on other people. They are safe and protected, correct? There seems to be some doubt. The problem I see, not having a medical degree but doing my own research, is in the way they are administered and preserved. No sane person will deny that children have died or have been permanently disabled by adverse reactions to some of the new vaccines. What about their right to live a normal life?n The mob rules over the individual?

          • Mr. Cash

            Yes TonysTake, I too believe that there should be well documented and unbiased proof of the benefits and side effects of all vaccines. You must remember that most medically based defenses are based on weighing the good with the bad. If you are prescribed a medication that causes side effects, you have to decide if the “fix” is worth the said side effects.

            From a Social governance status, you have to consider that when dealing with millions of people and attempting to help “save” them from diseases, you have to make the judgement call.

            While knowing this fact, I still personally believe that we as Americans should have the individual right to decide on this. It’s the systems fault for not relaying all facts in consideration of having vaccinations given. If more people knew which vaccines had no or very limited side effects, we could all agree to get those for the “greater good”. On the half that we as a Nation have very differed opinions on; if the documentation was there as to what problems were being caused, then it would allow all of us to make that judgment call with an informed decision.

            In regards to living a “normal life”, the question comes down to possibly coming in contact with the disease that they are not vaccinated for. On top of that what other individuals they are putting at risk by becoming infected.That’s when it is viewed as being careless by those who support mandated vaccinations. You also have to consider that it’s easier to be careless with not being vaccinated, because everyone else is. However, that doesn’t mean that individual will not get anything and what if Traveling the world, is part of that individuals perception of a “Normal Life”. They would then be increasing their chance of becoming infected. and so on…

            This issue is deeper than we probably really want it to be, but no matter if we choose to get vaccinated or not, we need to understand the risks on both sides.

          • northstate

            Public policy was not written by a mob; it was written by educated people in government service.

        • Lefty2

          The point that you are missing is that there are known risks associated with vaccines in otherwise healthy people that are unpredictable. The choice of whether to take the risk of vaccination, or, take the risk of non-vaccination, belongs to the person taking the risk, or the parent of a minor.

          • northstate

            If an exception is needed for medical reasons, those reasons can be documented by a medical doctor. If no medical reasons exist, vaccination for known childhood diseases are mandated in most states. If you want an example of a state where children don’t have to be vaccinated, try Mississippi. A parent who chooses to put a child at risk for serious childhood diseases might want to move there.

      • TonysTake

        My solution you might say is “revolutionary.” I doubt you will want anything to do with it. Real men like me were at the Bundy Ranch while girly-men sat home and thought about abstract political solutions. Some people actually think the Bundy Ranch Standoff was about cows. They are the products of a public education and I doubt they can even name the first three presidents or name who fought who in the American revolution. Both parties are corrupted beyond repair. The current system can not be repaired. The people running the system only respect what comes out the end of a gun. The people who depend on the government to provide for their welfare and security are very soon to be disappointed.

        • Ezra Pound Sand

          Many will call you a crazy fringer but you’re 100% right, IMHO. Begging some jackass voted in by people who are glued to a TV set most of their life to NOT force me to ingest foreign toxins into my system is ridiculous.

          Here’s direct action. Get enough people to tell the state to GO TO HELL. When a couple million people just flip the State the bird, it will go nowhere. Hey, that goes for all the people who want to vaccinate, too. Go ahead, shoot you and your family full of whatever, have at it. You should feel serenely safe now.

          Come after me and my family to force me to follow your insanity and TonysTake solution will be the response. Millions of Americans are sick of the brain-dead “solutions” being forced down our throats…literally.

          Stay away from me and I’ll stay away from you. Get in my face with your “beliefs” and you’re going to have a problem.

        • northstate

          Actually, the Bundy ranch was illegally grazing cows on public land; and the Bundy supporters threatened Federal employees with armed weapons. Bundy was a public moocher; he didn’t want to pay for legitimate grazing rights on private land, so he moved his cattle to public land, illegally. He lost.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            Can you imagine if Bundy were black…

          • northstate

            No. But, if he were those white yahoo supporters wouldn’t have been there.

    • northstate

      Private schools also require vaccination records.

      • TonysTake

        Some do, some don’t. Being vaccinated is not a prerequisite to admission in some cases. Homeschooling is always an option. But let me be clear. What I object to is forcing people to do something without their INFORMED consent. Period.
        Big pharma is just like big Agra. Big Agra claim Roundup is safe enough to drink but their representatives refuse to drink it. They claim GMO’s are safe to eat while lab tests are not made public. The media and our government are complicit in the coverups.

        • northstate

          Vaccines are safe. That dispute is old and no longer valid outside of marginal fringe group postings. As I stated before, if a child has a rare auto-immune deficiency documented by a medical doctor, and documented requires real documentation from legitimate tests. I have no info about GMO’s; there have been some news stories about GMO’s ruining native crops. Vaccines and GMO’s are two different issues; stop conflating the two. If you believe there are accredited private schools which do not require vaccination certificates, please name them. My daughter went to a private French-American school in SF; we had to produce proof of vaccination for a French government subsidized elementary school, required by both France and U.S.

          Later she attended two different private high schools, both required proof of vaccinations. She had to provide proof of vaccination for UC Berkeley. Recently she had to provide proof of vaccination to take some classes at Chico State College. I assume you are aware that measles, mumps and polio are serious diseases; that is why vaccines were developed in the first place. If you wish to experience an environment where children are not vaccinated, try the Taliban controlled part of Pakistan where polio has now surfaced, leaving many innocent children crippled by a disease long since conquered. It is now very difficult for Pakistanis to travel; they must provide vaccination documents. I do not understand how an adult would argue in favor of infants and young children to be vulnerable to serious childhood diseases.

          • northstate

            Further, my daughter had to receive a smallpox vaccination as well.

      • Lefty2

        So what?

        • northstate

          In most states proof of vaccinations are required to attend school, public or private. Public health policy is the “so what”.

  • talonsage

    GOOD.

    • Jon

      As I put in my letter, There are two central aspects of medical ethics ;
      First, DO NO HARM
      Second: INFORMED CONSENT
      I encourage everyone to make these points unmistakably clear to legislators.

      • northstate

        Public health policy makes exceptions for medically documented cases of auto-immune disease. Otherwise, public health trumps your “informed” consent.

        • Jon

          Sorry, LIFE trumps imaginary and authoritarian claims to enhance “public health.” As another has pointed out, there may be valid and honest reasons for SOME vaccines, but the heavy handed mandated vaccines are insidious (mildly put). It is not the PRINCIPLE of vaccines that I am disputing (though that is also a legitimate domain for discussion) but rather the dishonesty, greed, and proven harmful effects on a significant part of the population being perpetrated by Big Pharma and their poodles in government.

  • JIMspins1958

    dummies….vaccination SHOULD be mandatory….except under a rigorous exception policy……don’t be foolish…..polio and measles are no joke, and praying to jesus isn’t going to help those afflicted. If you believe the sole motivation behind vaccination is money profits for big pharma, your head is up your ass….

    • Wendy

      Measles is a common childhood illness. I had it. It did no permanent damage and I did not die. I also had vaccinations Due to those and other root causes, I now have permanent autoimmune disease.

      • JIMspins1958

        The measles vaccine is effective at preventing the disease. Vaccination has resulted in a 75% decrease in deaths from measles between 2000 and 2013 with about 85% of children globally being currently vaccinated

        • Cynddy

          Measles was at trough levels even before the Vaccine was released. There have been 140 deaths in the last decade from the Vaccine.

          • JIMspins1958

            and if everyone decided NOT to vaccinate their kids against measles the death rate of elderly and young children would be WELL above 140 death in a decade. Not everyone (in fact most) people do not have an adverse reaction as you did….

          • northstate

            Wrong.

          • Proponent

            The economic cost of measles

            And how many work hours were lost due to a single unvaccinated patient who started the epidemic? Approximately 15,000 hours. This accounted for the majority of the economic impact, but there were other contributors as well. These include the costs associated with increased measles tests and/or titers, and lost wages of the workers. There did not seem to be a calculation for potential lost wages of parents or patients who were required to remain at home for the duration of the disease, but hopefully future studies will do so.

            And the grand total cost for a mere 14 cases of measles? Approximately $800,000; or $799,136 for those of you who prefer precision. As the authors calculated, the cost/patient for containing the 7 cases related to exposure in a healthcare setting was therefore in excess of $100,000.

            In summary, if you are inclined to ignore the dire health risks related to measles, perhaps your state legislators or local healthcare facilities could be swayed by the imminent costs of this outbreak to push for the complete abolishment of any type of vaccination exemptions other than those for serious medical.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            750,000 cases of measles in 1958. No trough.

            Your antivax sources have confused you with mortality data. We did indeed do much better at saving people who were sick. We did not reduce incidence until the vaccines, after which incidence dropped like a rock.

          • Cynddy

            Mortality rate for measles before the vaccine was 0.3 in 100,000.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            Off by a factor of 100 if measured per clinical case, not bad for an antivaxer.

            Death rate per clinical case ran 30:100,000 to 100:100,000. Your number is 0.3 per 100,000 population, which at 1960 population works out to 400-450 deaths per year.

            Please explain: Why should we prefer 400 wild measles deaths every year to 14 per year from the vaccine? (This is assuming, for convenience, your 140/decade figure, although in fact it is too high.)

        • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

          Measles was on the decline before the vaccine came out in 1963…look it up!

          • Proponent

            Incorrect.

            And once again..

            Arguing by assertion only.. will only get your posts summarily dismissed out of fingers/hands (‘hey.. a random person on the interwebs said..’).

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Proponent is a liar typing from pharma scripts he got from his handlers

          • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

            There is a wonderful new invention where you can actually look up the scientific charts…it’s called: Google

        • Matibob

          OMG…could you truly be this ignorant?

          • JIMspins1958

            No, I couldn’t be, but you are…unless of course the little down syndrome kid in your photo contracted it via vaccination….. endless possibilities for wacky shit happening when you vaccinate of course as I’m sure you agree…

          • Matibob

            You are too humorous! Have you considered an occupation in comedy? You would be a natural.

          • Matibob

            Phuck off

      • northstate

        And you are ignorant; there is no connection. Measles left many children deaf, vision impaired. Smart parents kept their kids away from children with measles. My best friend lived across the street; when he came down with measles I wasn’t allowed to visit him. Measles was serious for many children; my friend was deaf in one ear after his measles. If you are not old enough to remember Polio and the serious aftermath of measles, you are not old enough to have a legitimate opinion. Pediatricians have begun to keep non-vaccinated children in segregated waiting rooms, to protect other children, and pregnant mothers.

      • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

        On old T.V. shows they would actually joke about getting measles. It was no big deal!

        • Proponent

          Old T.V. shows?

          Ok.. sure.

          But.. have you ever read Agatha Christie’s; “The Mirror Crack’d from Side to Side”?

          It’s from her Miss Marple detective and crime series.. circa 1960s.

          The plot/story?

          * “In the film’s denouement, Miss Marple explains the murders that have occurred. Heather Babcock’s story was Marina’s initial motive. Ms. Babcock suffered from German measles — a rather harmless disease to most adults, but problematic for a pregnant woman. Heather Babcock innocently infected Marina when she met her during World War Two. Marina was pregnant at the time; the disease caused her child to be born with mental retardation. Upon hearing Heather cheerfully tell this story, Marina was overcome with rage and poisoned her without thinking.”

          (* Courtesy of wikipedia.)

          • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

            Wikipedia, really?

          • Proponent

            Sure.. for the plot/story of a book.. why not.

            And as opposed to your non-existent sources to back up your.. ahem.. assertions?

            One word comes to mind.. ‘fail’.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            What other fairy-tales your handlers supplied to you?

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Again, Proponent strains to be witty…

            One word comes to mind.. ‘fail’.

          • Matibob

            Haha! Rest assured the koolaid assisted commenters also utilize snopes.com regularly for their disinformation. The mere existence of this many ignorant suggest we are long overdue for a thinning of the herd!

          • Andrew Lazarus

            As Wikipedia mentions, the breaking of quarantine followed by the deformed baby is taken from the real story of the actress Gene Tierney (“Laura”, etc.) who was infected while pregnant by a fan who slipped out of quarantine.

          • Proponent

            Makes for an even more compelling argument against The Brady Bunch nonsense (‘hey, measles was no big deal!), et al.

            Thanks for bringing that salient point to light, Andrew. Muchly appreciated.

          • Katia

            I’ve seen the play, then learned the real story. Fascinating.

        • Katia

          Yeah, the Brady Bunch. I take my information from real life, not fictional sit-coms.

          • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

            I hope you get measles, have spots for a few days…then have life-long natural immunity with no side effects!

          • Katia

            I had natural measles. I missed three weeks of school, as did many of my classmates. It makes me wonder how teachers were able to teach back then, with large numbers of the class out sick all the time.

            I have a mild hearing loss from either measles or mumps. Had I been born a few years later, I could have gotten the vaccines and gotten this vaunted “natural immunity” (there is no difference in antibodies produced by vaccines than by infection) w/o the missed school and the hearing problems.

          • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

            Except for all of the toxic chemicals they put in vaccines. Why don’t they just take out the bad stuff?

          • Katia

            If they’d take this out, add that, yada, yada, yada! Nothing will satisfy anti-vaxers.

          • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

            You pro-vaxxers can shoot up all you want. Take 10,000 vaccinations in a day, it doesn’t concern me. Heck, shoot up on some heroin too while your at it…it’s not my business. Just leave me alone!

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Because there will be nothing left in vaccine if they take the bad stuff out. It will be called water then (fluoridated)

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            That is bad that you got measles. MMR vaccine with its side effects would suit you better. Do not forget to get flu vaccine every year.

      • Andrew Lazarus

        There was a boy in my elementary school deaf from measles. Sure, 90% of cases were uncomplicated. But not 100%.

      • Katia

        Key phrase “other root causes”. Vaccines do not cause auto-immune disease.

        • disqus_k3oycamN0W

          Vaccinate some more, and they will cause in you. And that will be good.

    • Cynddy

      You are one of the zombies our education system has so thoroughly brainwashed. Polio and measles are no joke and they are no big deal. Booger man scared you into believing that crap?

    • disqus_k3oycamN0W

      You have the right to vaccinate yourself into oblivion, and nobody will miss you. You do not have the right to mandate damaging me with those useless toxic vaccines. Not all people are stupid. Many people value their health and will find a way to avoid those vaccines,

      • JIMspins1958

        you’ll wish you had taken the useless vaccine when you are diagnosed with polio or small pox……

        • disqus_k3oycamN0W

          Wrong. I know the history of vaccination well, and know how dangerous and useless both small pox and polio vaccines had been. They actually spread disease. Salk and Sabin accused rival’s vaccines for spreading vaccine strain polio. Salk even testified on that before Congress. Both were right. No polio, small pox, flu or any vaccine for me., ever

          • JIMspins1958

            no soup for you, ever.

          • northstate

            By now you are too old for it to matter. Vaccines are given first to infants, later to young children. The only shot for adults currently is for a certain strain of pneumonia. Smallpox killed thousands of children in England before the vaccine was developed; now children do not contract and die from smallpox. Children are dying from Smallpox in Pakistan where the Taliban has fought vaccination, even murdering doctors and nurses. Nigeria now has a public movement to get children vaccinated. Your ignorance is amazing; you were born in the wrong century; you would have been comfortable in The Middle Ages.

          • Luvutah2

            Do some homework. There is no “conspiracy” other than that Big Pharma and the US Gov’t have colluded to keep vaccines cheap and plentiful, and to indemnify doctors and drug companies from lawsuits if something goes awry. HOWEVER, because SO MANY different vaccines are given in combination (with literally SCORES of different live viruses)and repeated so many times because their effectiveness doesn’t last, and because neurotoxins like mercury and aluminum are STILL included in vaccines (to lower the costs of large-scale production), AND because NO testing (nada!) has been done on COMBINED vaccines given in the doses and frequency that the masses of infants/children are given, the CDC and Big Pharma and the US gov’t have been absolute LIARS (or idiots…take your pick) when they claim that “the science proves vaccines are safe”. Bullshit!! There are other serious problems with the testing of vaccines. Check out these links and get some facts under your belt before you condemn thousands of at risk infants and children to chronic life-long health problems.https://www.youtube.com/watch?… and this documentary at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJGyN3gCsBg

          • northstate

            Well, I choose to avoid putting infants at risk for measles, mumps and rubella. I also choose to not put children at risk for polio. What you want will not become law, and we will not return to smallpox, measles, mumps and polio outbreaks.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            At present, intelligent people do not have their children vaccinated, nor does the law now compel them to. The result is not, as the Jennerians prophesied, the extermination of the human race by smallpox; on the contrary, more people are now killed by vaccination than by smallpox.”
            ― George Bernard Shaw

            This is one quote from a witness to small pox vaccination in England. Outbreaks of smallpox (and tuberculosis) in England happened in places where mass vaccination was combined with unsanitary conditions. In fact small pox appeared only when unsanitary ancient cities were buit

          • northstate

            Please don’t use Shaw as some kind of medical expert. He was a brilliant writer, but not a scientist. At present the law in most states does require vaccination against measles, mumps and rubella. You are aware that mumps can cause sterilization in males?

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Do not worry, “educated”-indoctrinated in Berkeley (which did not make you any smarter). There is Adult Immunization Plan for you. You will be vaccinated at work (like nurses already are), or in nursing home.
            I will not though – i will resist.

          • northstate

            Where did you go to school?

        • Matibob

          Actually should this occur, people such as yourself can be thanked as you are the type of fool who praises our open borders. Where the hell do you think these recent outbreaks originate from?

      • northstate

        Public health policy mandates vaccinations, only exceptions are documented medical conditions, as in the extremely rare auto-immune disease. The disease must be documented by independent medical doctors, more than just one possible crank.

        • disqus_k3oycamN0W

          No mandates yet, but when (if) they come vaccines will be for low level losers like you, elite will not vaccinate, and smart, well educated people, who do not vaccinate their kids now, will find a way not to vaccinate then (homeschool or bribe doctors).

          • northstate

            You can disagree. However, I am not a “low level loser”; graduated from UC Berkeley, not an easy school to get into; worked for thirty years as a benefits administrator for a large multi-state corporation; we covered vaccination charges, as do all large corporations. I might qualify as well educated. Which university did you graduate from?

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Obviously, Berkeley indoctrinated and instilled obedience in you. My university (higher than Berkeley, but I am not going to boast) taught me to think, analyze, and look for underlying connections. You do not need university to gain that qualities – Buddha taught it 2500 years ago without any university. University gives degree, but doesn’t give wisdom. People who do not vaccinate are wise, smart, and were able to do their own research and resist brainwashing.

          • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

            Gandhi would be proud!

          • northstate

            Please boast. UC Berkeley is among top ten. And Buddha has nothing to do with modern medicine, not even in China.

          • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

            Look up what Gandhi said about vaccines.

          • northstate

            Gandhi? Now you are using Gandhi as a medical expert? And a country where bodies are thrown into ditches, wells and rivers? India is seriously polluted; the rich buy their water.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            “Vaccination is a barbarous practice and one of the most fatal of all the delusions current in our time.

            Conscientious objectors to vaccination should stand alone, if need be, against the whole world, in defense of their conviction.”
            ― Mahatma Gandhi

          • Matibob

            Berkeley…..that explains it!

          • northstate

            Proud to have graduated from a top ranked university; took required courses in Biology and Zoology. Where did you go to school?

      • Lefty2

        Vaccines are not useless, but, they are toxic. Not everyone can tolerate them equally. For now, the best you can do is decide which risk you want to take: vaccines, or no vaccines.

        • disqus_k3oycamN0W

          Not only vaccines are toxic, but they are useless too. Read “Dissolving Illusions” by Dr Humphries, and you will see that vaccines are mostly a hoax. Plague, cholera, leprosy, scarlet fever, tuberculosis and many other diseases were eliminated in modern world without any vaccines. In fact, countries that have mandatory 100% vaccinations for tuberculosis from birth (i.e. Russia – for 70 years) – have growing problem with tuberculosis, and it was proven that it is growing BECAUSE of vaccines. Pertussis, mumps, measles, so called Non Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis or Vaccine Induced Polio Paralysis – all symptoms identical to polio – occur in vaccinated. The best vaccination can do is produce low quality antibodies that are destroyed and vane in a few years, requiring boosters, unlike natural immunity; and then make people even more susceptible to disease.
          VACCINES are HOAX

  • medusa7ful .

    I’m going to pull my grand daughter out!! All the schools do is prepare for testing that’s it and that’s all anyway. Teachers are going to loose their jobs, so will the principles and the school boards will no longer exists!

    • Neil

      If this bill passes, then home schooling is the best solution to the problem. I highly recommend looking into the Ron Paul Curriculum for home schooling. I think you will be impressed. http://www.ronpaulcurriculum.com/

    • northstate

      The word is lose, as in to lose something, not loose. The correct spelling is principal for a person. Your grand daughter will learn to spell in school.

  • Free2BUandMe

    Sign a petition to have Governor Brown VETO this bill if it makes it to his desk!

    https://www.change.org/p/jerry-brown-veto-california-senate-bill-277-should-it-come-to-your-desk

  • Tak

    This is one Californian completely in favor of no-exemption mandatory vaccinations. The truly brainwashed are the ignorami who’ve swallowed boatloads of misinformation, completely discredited pseudo-science and wacko conspiracy theories. When I was a small child back in the early 1950s, my uncle contracted polio and spent the rest of his life in a wheelchair. At the same time, a friend’s father (who was a well-known classical music composer) also contracted polio and spent the rest of his life in what was called an “iron lung.” These diseases are no joke. Vaccinations do NOT cause disease, but the organisms they protect against most certainly do.

    • Sharon

      I would urge you to investigate what is in these vaccines today. There content is different than 50 years ago. That is what is wrong with many of these vaccines. Yes, mercury has been removed but other less than savory ingredients have been added. I highly recommend you check out Dr. Sherri Tenpenny. Due your research!!

      • northstate

        When you can spell “their” and “do”, more people might pay attention to your rant, or not.

        • Matibob

          Northstate: Grammar 101 nor Lang Arts 101 will help YOUR rant.

          • northstate

            It might help your spelling.

        • Suzy Hayes

          northstate, I vehemently concur with you. Most of the anti-vaccine comments are truly sobering & a commentary on the hijacking of the Public Education System.

          • northstate

            Thank goodness, education has not been completely hijacked. The bill will pass in CA, and other states will follow. Except for Miss. Even Alabama has mandatory vaccinations. What is sad is the on-line crackpot selling this nonsense. Polio was the scourge of my generation. The iron lung victims, and the kids in braces. Even sadder are housewives willing to put their kids at risk for this disease. They have no idea, but if they want to put their kids in any school in CA, they will have to prove vaccinations. If they don’t care about their kids, the State does. Christian Scientists ran into similar problems, and they were required to get medical treatment for their children with serious illnesses. Where did this American Taliban come from? Pakistan now has children with polio in the tribal regions controlled by the Taliban. Children are so helpless and vulnerable. Tragic.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            Mississippi has the strictest pro-vax law in the USA. I know, ironic.

          • northstate

            Did not know that. The news I read must have been wrong. Happy to hear it, the more protected kids, the better.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            You do not know a lot of things. Missi and WV are the only 2 states with mandatory vaccines – and two states with unhealthiest and most obese population – coincidence? Not.
            But do not despair. If your favorite fascist mandatory law comes to California, you and your children/grandchildren will be the first vaccinated, and there is 270 more vaccines in development – poor you!
            Tell me how you will like it if you still are able to type by then! (I will be happily unvaccinated and enjoy the drama)

          • Andrew Lazarus

            To be more specific, Mississippi and West Virginia are the two states that allow only signed medical exemptions. Narcissism is not a disease of the poor.

          • Jonathan Brooks

            I really hope that you rush out and get as many vaccines and boosters as possible, and eat the GMO, and drink flouride, and rub it on your teeth, since you love SCIENCE. Show us what a good little slave you are.

          • CS

            I do all of these things as often as possible and have had most immunization series twice due to poor titers. Not only am I still alive, but science, like flouride, makes various bones rock hard.

          • Jonathan Brooks

            I think when you have to do dozens of vaccines against your will every month, with boosters for many diseases in multishots, your snooty arrogance may be dulled. mandatory is for children, babies, adults and the elderly. The trustworthy government and corporations can put anything and everything in you, and you will just have to accept it. Enjoy your slave life.

          • CS

            That’s an adorable strawman you got there, is it made of conspiracy theories or just your hopes and dreams?

          • Jonathan Brooks

            Irt is not just mandatory for kids, you pompous twit, it is for YOU,. You will not be able to turn down the infinite vaccines they come up for aduts and the elderly. If you have a bad reaction, try to get one of the vaccine doctors to listen when you have paralysis, and recurring fever. Suddenly your happy shiney vaccine policy will not be so great.

          • northstate

            Well, you rude, pompous jerk, I got a pneumonia shot, as I do every year. I’m too old to need vaccinations now. My daughter got hers. I remember mumps, measles and rubella before vaccines-the defense used was quarantine of sick children. Measles can be serious, as can mumps. Smallpox killed thousands before the smallpox vaccine was developed. I went to school with kids who wore leg braces, kids with withered arm muscles before the Salk vaccine. You are a Luddite, born in the wrong century.

          • CS

            Does this fantasy story of yours include unicorns and dragons? You should add them, it definitely needs something more realistic than the garbage you’re currently vomiting.

          • Joe Palooka

            If it does pass it is going to be hit with so many lawsuits it is going make you throw a huge temper tantrum and it will be overturned.
            As far as polio goes it is a non issue in the US with our modern health systems,water,nutrition ect…
            Quit with your no base in reality scaremongering already.

          • northstate

            It will not be overturned; it can go all the way to the SC, and it will lose. Polio is a non-issue due to the Salk vaccine, still used. Polio is a big issue in Pakistan tribal areas where the Taliban has prevented vaccinations; there are now polio crippled children there. Polio travels. The US will not return to plague years, whatever your hope is.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            There was no vaccine for plague, and it was eliminated (the same with many other diseases, but statistics show that polio spiked with introduction of vaccines, and then was replaced with vaccine-induced polio, that was reclassified as NPAFP, or VAPP, or Guillian -Barre or palsy – many names.- the same polio, but in vaccinated. Contaminated polio vaccine brought us monkey viruses ; cancer causing SV40 and HIV.

          • Jonathan Brooks

            We are not luddites, miss cranky pants. We believe in an old 18th century idea of personal freedom, and the Constitution, and not letting jack boot health depertment worshippers push us artound and jam infinite numbers iof mandatory vaccines in us. If you love having the government rule your life, and do whatever they want to you, feel free to move to europe.

      • Tak

        Uh, listening to well-known quacks, conspiracy theorists and con artists like Sherri Tenpenny is not research. There’s lots more where she came from, too – all of them ready to relieve you of substantial cash for their DVDs, books, and fake supplements. Believe it or not, there is actually something called real science and a real scientific method, and it works quite well thank you, even if most of the people who hang out here haven’t a clue about it. You are being conned, and I hope you can wake up to that, stop giving her your money, and try to learn something about how actual science works.

        • disqus_k3oycamN0W

          It is good that you are vaccinated. Vaccines are good for you, Tak, get more of them, flu is mandatory for you every year.

      • Joe Palooka

        Get your story straight. Mercury has NOT been removed from vaccines.
        http://traceamounts.com/

    • Jason Roush

      What you have not been told. Every case of polio since the polio vaccine came out has been tracked back to the vaccine. Maybe you should stop swallowed boatloads of misinformation, completely discredited pseudo-science and wacko theories. Vaccinations do not cause disease is 100% BS.

    • Jonathan Brooks

      Takhead, vaccine induced illness is no joke. I had a nurse jam a second sugar cube of polio vaccine down my throat by force for the crime of changing elementary school.

      I had immune illness from that time on, called rheaumatic fever, which is triggered by strep throat. I am not alone. You and your vaxx Nazi have no problem cursing people to a lifetime of suffering or autism, just so you twisted scum can feel safe from childhood disease that almost never kills anyone. I spit at you and all your kind.

      You use some anecdotal story of some family member and polio, and you are willing to force endless vaccines on people, so Big Pharma can get their money. You are totalitarian scum, and the blood of countless people will be on your hands, troll, when the suffering starts.

      • VitaminJL

        Jonathan, how do you really feel about Tak’s comments? Don’t hold back this time. 🙂

        • Jonathan Brooks

          Excuse me for being testy, but the pompous and facist schills on the pro-mandatory vaccine crowd, who demand the right to shoot unlimited garbage in my arm, and that of my family, makes me want to spit fire.

          I have lived with vaccine injury since I was a kid, and I am tired of these science worshipping dweebs playing the” greater good” card on my head. If they are so terrified of illness, then shut the border, and stop trying to conrol my bloodstream.

      • disqus_k3oycamN0W

        http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/repeal-immunity-for-drug?source=s.fwd&r_by=9883438

        This petition is to repeal a law that gives vaccine companies full protection from prosecution for vaccine deaths and injuries.

        Please sign and share

        • Lefty2

          It’s not prosecution, it’s liability – money damages from injured or killed victims and family members. If vaccines are safe, what do the drug companies need protection from.

      • northstate

        There is NO connection between autism and vaccines. That old lie has been disproven, but it is still out there. The Salk vaccine saved lives. The Salk vaccine saved children from a crippling disease. You should be grateful that sugar cube was “shoved” down your throat. You were not exposed to Polio, and if you had been, you were protected. I went to school with kids who wore leg braces, kids with withered arms. I avoided this plague because my mother was smart enough to figure out that kids were passing this disease in public places: swimming pools, movies, etc. My daughter got her first vaccine on a sugar cube. You are free to rant, but you are ignorant about the miracle of the Salk vaccine and the misery it saved thousands of children from.

        • Lefty2

          Excuse me, northsate,

          First, the right to decide whether or not to receive medical care resides exclusively in the individual, or, his/her parents if they are a minor. I am confident that any law mandating vaccinations without exception runs afoul of the liberty clauses contained in the 5th and 14th Amendments.

          Second, there is no evidence establishing that one or more vaccines and/or vaccine constituent ingredients do not cause autism.

          Third, the studies that fail to show a link between vaccines and autism were funded by drug companies who have a financial interest in the outcome of those studies, both as to liability and profit.

          Feel free to exercise your right to trust the drug industry that their products are safe. But, don’t try to impose your trust on anyone else.

          • northstate

            The studies have been done by reputable medical associations and medical schools. I prefer to believe them, as opposed to a few cranks on fringe network sites.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Great, vaccinate yourself and your children, but do not expect anyone with a brain to follow your example, or trust the likes of Poul Thorsen, Frank De Stefano, Coleen Boyle, Offit For Profit and other (in)famous authors of the fake “studies” originating from “Cesspool of Dishonesty and Corruption” aka CDC.
            I ( and Billy Gates) are actually glad that people like you are vaccinated – more resources are left for our descendants.

          • Jonathan Brooks

            Excuse me, troll, but how do you know they are reputable, and plausible? Is it the white coats and stethescopes they wear in news conferences? Why is it that people who post on this are automatically cranks or fringes. You pompous schill, I lived this damage every day of my life, from this autoimmune injury, so you can go back and kiss your corporate masters, and worship them with offerings and insense.

          • northstate

            Auto-immune deficiency is very, very rare. If you had a pediatrician, your condition would have been on record; tests for this have been around for a long time. Or, did you not go to a doctor when you were a child? I am not a pompous schill, just an ordinary parent who protected her daughter from childhood diseases as best she could.

          • Jonathan Brooks

            I do not have auto immune deficiency, you troll, I have auto immune illness, which means when I get in contact with streph, I get a massive over reaction in my immune system that results in my body trying to attack my cells as a disease. I am not a bubble boy. I am a person who had no health problems before a vaxxhead teacher jammed a second polio vaccine cube down my throat, and have had this illnes since then.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            You are right, there are studies by Dr, Shoenfeld, that show how vaccines create inflammation and autoimmune imbalance in everyone who gets them, many people developing allergies (including peanut allergy), multiple sclerosis, diabetes type 1, autism (myelin basic proteins attacked by auto antibodies, and neuron sheaths destroyed); arthritis, fibromyalgia , ALS – and so difficult, even impossible to treat!. Watch Dr Tent’s lecture on autoimmune disease on u tube – it is long , but worth every minute.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            The Supreme Court tossed your theories over 100 years ago. (But, then, you probably don’t think the Income Tax is constitutional either…) There has never been a right to bring communicable diseases into public spaces like schools. Whether you can be non-vaccinated and stay at home 24/7 is not the issue here.

          • bsroon

            The fed govt (only if you use the Constitution) has no constitutional authority to make health laws. They have 30, specific, LIMITED, constrained arenas in which to make laws. All other law is to be made on STATE levells – which outside the 30 ennumerated powers – TRUMP federal law in any of those arenas.
            My state, Calif, has no constitutional authority over my health choices either. Those are specifically forbidden the fed govt (who has no school jurisdiction either, no definition of marriage arena, etc) and “retained by the states and the people”.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            Quarantine and other health measures have been government responsibility for literally thousands of years. Under our system, vaccination will fall into the state or local bin. The idea that the state can’t compel vaccination lost in the Supreme Court over 100 years ago.

            Your understanding of state/federal supremacy is confused, but, then, it does help my thesis that vaccine Alternative Reality advocates tend to believe other strange things (no income tax, chemtrails, etc.).

          • northstate

            At one time quarantine was the only protection available. My best friend was quarantined when he got measles. I could send him cards, but not visit.

          • northstate

            You are correct; public health policy is established for the common good. I wonder if Lefty thinks it is okay to expose pregnant mothers to diseases. There are now pediatricians who segregate their waiting rooms, placing non-vaccinated children in a separate room. It is appalling to see such ignorance on display in the 21st century. Nigeria is begging for a vaccination program. The Tribal Regions in Pakistan have polio crippled children due to Taliban ignorance about vaccinations. I suggest Lefty2 move to that part of Pakistan where he would find a similar point of view and witness the results.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Isn’t is sad that Taliban are the only country protecting their children from toxic vaccines? And their children and teenagers look very healthy on those news reports: muscular, tall, tanned, not a single obese or autistic in sight. By the way, the whole Pakistan had about 150 cases of polio recently in a year ( not reported, vaccine strain or wild), and WHO was hysterical, declaring “epidemic”. Compare to 48000 cases of vaccine-strain polio (dabbed NPAFP – non polio acute flaccid paralysis) – in vaccinated children in a year after Bill Gates dumped his “charitable” vaccines there. Do you know that there is a lawsuit against this genocidal Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in India because of that?
            Well , there is another country that made vaccines voluntary in 1998 at the suggestion of their leading immunologists – Russia. So, in Moscow at least, a lot of children are unvaccinated, especially children of educated parents – no epidemics in this densely populated city. They also banned GMO recently. May be this is the reason Putin became so bad for mainstream media?
            Sad times for US , which is pushing for medical fascism while Russia gives its citizens freedom of choice.
            And what really surprises me that so many Americans are completely brainwashed ,and some even go on Internet trolling for fascism and forced vaccinations.

          • VikingRN

            The last patient with poliomyelitis due to wild poliovirus in the Americas had onset of paralysis on 23 August 1991 in Peru. Since then, >9000 cases of acute flaccid paralysis have been reported and thoroughly investigated; none has been confirmed as paralytic poliomyelitis due to wild poliovirus. On 29 September 1994, the International Commission for the Certification of Poliomyelitis Eradication declared the Americas to be polio-free.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Owner of BarkingBN, did you vaccinate her with rabies before importing this talking doghead to Americas?

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Exactly. NPAFP is paralytic poliomyelitis due to VACCINE STRAIN poliovirus, not wild one.
            Repeat for vaccinated brain of BarkingBS, and her dog trainers Lazarus and Stevens: VACCINE STRAIN POLIOVIRUS causes NPAFP.
            One more time in case doggy nurse recently got her mandatory flu shot and suffers from mercurial aluminized brain syndrome: it is VACCINE STRAIN, not wild one that causes polio in vaccinated people (48000 cases in India alone during a year after Gated Foundation massively vaccinated Indian kids)
            I know aprno will not learn, but I can not give her a bone to reinforce the teaching.

          • VikingRN

            Please explain with reputable peer reviewed articles how a killed virus vaccine can lead to acute flaccid paralysis.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Learn the difference between “killed” and “attenuated” – which may be very well alive – plus learn that all those toxic chemicals are neurotoxins. But I doubt anything but pharma script can be processed in your vaccine damaged brain.

          • VikingRN

            The point is that polio vaccination is usually done with a killed virus. In the us and Australia the kpv has been the only vaccine in use for over a decade.

          • Jonathan Brooks

            No, troll, public health policy is NOT established for the greater good, because if it was, our borders would be closed, and no immigrant with Ebola or AIDS would be allowed in the US, or in public places here. Public Health policy is set to appease the corporate and state interests, with no concern for the Constitution or actual public safety.

          • VikingRN

            It is a matter of legitimate state police powers……

          • Katia

            Jacobson vs Massachusetts. Since the mods don’t like my link, Google it.

            Your confidence is misplaced.

          • Lefty2

            My confidence in what?

          • Katia

            This: “I am confident that any law mandating vaccinations without exception
            runs afoul of the liberty clauses contained in the 5th and 14th
            Amendments.”

            I can’t post a link to *Jacobson vs Massachusetts*, go Google it.

        • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

          That’s not what The CDC whistle-blower said.

        • Luvutah2

          Yes, the polio vaccine was important and extremely helpful in eradicating that disease. But that’s NOT the issue today. Everyone responding to this post needs to FIRST do some homework. There is no “conspiracy” other than that Big Pharma and the US Gov’t have colluded to keep vaccines cheap and plentiful, and to indemnify doctors and drug companies from lawsuits if something goes awry. HOWEVER, because SO MANY different vaccines are given in combination (with literally SCORES of different live viruses)and repeated so many times because their effectiveness doesn’t last, and because neurotoxins like mercury and aluminum are STILL included in vaccines (to lower the costs of large-scale production), AND because NO testing (nada!) has been done on COMBINED vaccines, the CDC and Big Pharma and the US gov’t have been absolute LIARS (or idiots…take your pick) when they claim that “the science proves vaccines are safe”. Bullshit! There are other serious problems with the testing of vaccines. Check out these links and get some facts under your belt before you condemn thousands of at risk infants and children to chronic life-long health problems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?… and this documentary at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJGyN3gCsBg

        • Matibob

          Lay off the crack! It is painfully evident that it has inhibited your cognitive thinking ability. Your government (state and/or federal) does NOT view your personal health and well being first and foremost. Sad…but true!

          • northstate

            Really? The ignorance regarding vaccines on this site is sad.

        • Jonathan Brooks

          Northstate that is neither old or a lie. You are spouting the party line. I could care less about the Salk vaccine, or any of your old saws about the glories of vaccines. Listen carefully. If vaccines were safe and effective, and harmed no one, the government would not give doctors and Big Pharma no immunity from prosecution, and there would not be a vaccine Court to deal with vaccine injuries. The connection between autism and vaccines has NEVER been checked with studies using both vaccinated and unvaccinated people, and has never been examined with ALL the different ingredients that exist in our multiple vaccine schedules, but just two. There is NO nation on earth that demands the huge number of vaccines given to infants and small children that we do, and disregards the health and problems of individuals like we do. The US is becoming a Nazi monolith of public health mandatory shots and one size fits all medicine, and you and your vaxx worshippers do NOT give a rat hair what damage is done, as long as your little kid avoids childhood illness. Of course, the government is perfectly happy importing endless streams of illegals and children with known incurable and unvaccineable illness and sticks them instantly in our schools.

        • Joe Palooka

          Silent Epidemic The Untold Story of Vaccines directed by Gary Null
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJGyN3gCsBg

      • bsroon

        PLZ note: EVERY USA polio case for over 30 years is caused by the vaccine.

        Only exceptions are from out of country contact. Maybe if you took the Gates polio vaccine you’d get it too – higher disease occurrence than the wild, does more damage than the wild, causes higher death rates than the wild. But if you make $$$ – that is labeled “progress”.

        • Jonathan Brooks

          That was my understanding also. The Gates vaccines situation uis so bad that it is being fought by the African Governments because they think it is an effort to reduce African fertility, and the ability to carry children to term. Some villagers flee when they see the vaccine doctors.

          I have also heard that there may be a terrible side effect of not letting people catch measles and mumps as kids, and get the lifetime immunity, and that is an adult lack of immunity to theses illnesses, that would normally be passed to babies in nursing, so the babies and the adults lack full immunity.

          • Reality022

            Jonathan Brooks said, “I have also heard that there may be a terrible side effect of not letting people catch measles and mumps as kids”

            Yeah not letting people catch measles leads to these terrible side effects:

            – No extremely high fevers
            – No encephalitis
            – No convulsions
            – No blindness
            – No deafness
            – No pneumonia
            – No deaths

            Terrible, just terrible.

            Measles antibodies are not transmitted in milk. Measles antibodies, both wild derived and vaccine derived, are transmitted to the fetus transplacentally.

            Anything else you care to be wrong about today?

          • Jonathan Brooks

            Look, Reality, the incidence of those symptoms are minimal, and can generally be treated, if dealt with early, except for the blindness and deafness, which I have never heard as occuring, when the measles person is treated. Measles is not a plague, you twit, or they would use quarantine rules, and do more than what occurs.

          • Reality022

            Look twit – I was born before the polio vaccine was developed. I’ve seen a minimally vaccinated America.

            You wouldn’t remember but there used to be at least one ‘special needs’ school in every district which taught all the blind, deaf, and mentally impaired children. I look around now and they are virtually all gone. Very few children are going deaf and blind from measles as they used to before 1963.
            How are you going to “treat” measles viral pneumonia, genius?

            If you wanted to get your nose broken you probably couldn’t pick a better way than to intentionally expose some WW2 marine’s kid to measles. We weren’t terrified by measles as we were by polio, but nobody thought it was benign. My older brother ended up in the hospital from his case and my parents got to have the wonderful experience of praying that he’d survive unscathed. My own case involved a very high fever which required ice baths. I’m lucky I wasn’t damaged.
            I know 3 kids who have polio… one died 4 days after showing symptoms.
            The neighbor mom was exposed to rubella while she was pregnant and her little girl was born a mentally retarded rubella baby.

            These are dangerous diseases that your parents and grandparents spent a lot of money and resources to eliminate and now a small minority of ignorant maniacs and dimwits think they are benign and want them back.

            The anti-vaccine cult’s problem is that there are a lot of folks >60 years old who remember that the “good old days” weren’t so good and it is now much, much better for living without vaccine preventable diseases.

          • Jonathan Brooks

            Look you surly troll, the issue is not how much America sucked before vaccines, but the public’s right to choose what goes in it’s body. maybe you have no problem having the state mandate that you take ten vaccines a month, and face punishment if you don’t but I do. If you are so excited to be a slave to the government, Europe has a lot of states where the people are totally at the mercy of the commisars, the health professionals, and the social workers.

          • CS

            So you’re intrinsically agreeing that vaccines are beneficial then. Sounds good. States can enforce public health standards. That was settled long ago. So those who don’t wish to be part of the public can go ahead and do that and stop complaining about public institutions not allowing them in. You don’t get to declare yourself above the standards set and risk others lives by doing so, but you’re welcome to go risk your own elsewhere, away from the public.

          • Jonathan Brooks

            No, I am saying that jackboots like you have great totalitarian places to go, where they can be filled to the brim with vaccines, GMO foods, and fluoride water, and can convert to Islam by force, since that is taking Europe with the State blessing.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            True. I am glad I had measles, mumps and chicken pox as a child (during the time when I lived in cold climate with no fresh produce for half a year). Now I have natural lifetime immunity, unlike vaccinated. These diseases were mild, we actually envied those who could miss our dreaded daycare because of them. Parents would give us chicken soup and buy those expensive fruits. The key was to stay in bed for a few days to avoid “complications” – that was boring, but then – freedom at home for 2-3 more weeks!
            And see how those pharma shills, like “reality” are angry that we do not want their filthy toxic vaccines! How they try to frighten us with those side effects, that are – vaccine side effects, including encephalitis and death! Zero deaths from measles in US in the last 15 years, but 108 recorded deaths from measles vaccines, and numerous disabilities., and those 108 are only tip of the iceberg, because doctors do not want to admit that it is their vaccines that caused death and injuries.

          • VikingRN

            Not even remotely accurate. You can report a vaccine caused you to become the incredible hulk to VAERS and it will be include in the data.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            I heard Google made an new app: a canine barks, and computer records something reminding human speech. Bravo, BarkingBN ! Now back into a kennel.

        • Mike Stevens

          Lets see….a couple of dozen polio cases a decade (caused by oral vaccine when still in use – it isn’t now), or 20,000 deaths a decade from wild polio without vaccination….
          Wow! To vaccinate or not…..?
          Hard choice.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Definitely vaccinate shill Stevens with all vaccines on schedule and even with experimental ones, like Ebola!
            No vaccines for me though, I value my health.

      • VikingRN

        Rheumatic fever is caused by a streptococcal infection……

        • disqus_k3oycamN0W

          BarkingBN rheumatic liver and was caused by overeating Chinese dog food.

        • Jonathan Brooks

          Viking, that illness ONLY occurs when a person has an immune system damaged, so it over reacts. Everyone else that gets that germ gets strep throat, and no immune responce.

      • Katia

        So you got strep coincidentally after your polio vaccine. Why do you see that as the vaccine causing strep? Strep throat is caused by the Beta Group A strep bacteria, not the polio virus. Talk about an anecdotal story!

        • Andrew Lazarus

          The vaccine made him impure, hence strep.

          • Jonathan Brooks

            No, you vile smartmouth, it damaged my immune system, and I had immune illness which manifested in a variety of problems including asthma and arthritis. if you were not such a cold blooded inhuman scum, you would not be so flippant about it. But of course trolls are just sadistic hate filled jerks, so never mind. Flame on, superio.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            What was the mechanism by which a second sugar cube damaged your immune system in this way? Any mainstream physician ever agree? What is the connection between the polio vaccine and strep throat, which is a pretty common, potentially-serious illness.

            Lurkers: notice how antivaxers just can’t admit that a teeny little germ could make them sick, sometimes for life. A vaccine must be to blame. Until then, they were perfect.

          • Jonathan Brooks

            Excuse me, master of knowledge, but since you know everythiing about me from the divine knowledge of you rear, get it in your head. I had no, zero, none health issues as a child, before the double vaccine issues, and chronic issues with joint pain, asthma, hay fever, and other immune issues after. Clearly, your vast medical training and knowledge would allow you to judge my experience, and I bow to your godlike knowledge troolboy.

        • Jonathan Brooks

          Katia, that is not what I said. I had a variety of health problems after the double vaccine polio cube, including hay fever, which I had never experienced, and asthma, and strep throat which triggered the rheaumatic faver responce. You can sit and dismiss me as anectdotal, but I have lived for decades with this garbage, and I have talked with many others with the same issues, brought on oin the same way,

          Personally, I do not care what you believe or do, and if you want to take a dozen vaccines a month forever, feel free, but I consider that to be a violation of my rights as a free person, and will fight your mandatory vaccine laws even to my end.I detest the concept of cowards who insist other lose freedoms, because they fear this or that thing. Suck it up, and stop living in fear, because it makes you a tyrant and a bully, like all the science and vaccine worshippers.

          • Katia

            You don’t get strep from polio vaccine. Spare me the lecture about freedom!

          • Jonathan Brooks

            Hey, try to actually read what I said. I got immune damage from the shot, and the strep happened, because kids get strep. You do not get rheaumatic fever from strep, unless you have immune illness, which causes the immune system to overreact, and attack the body. As for freedom, I hope you enjoy the slavery, and the endless shots forced on you by the state give you all the mercury, squalene, and iother adjuvants you desire.

    • jdslonina

      As a responce to “Tak”:
      Just as way of informing you, I was old enough to remember my vaccine episode (Sept 1970, I was 5 years old). The “culture” back then was deny, deny, deny. And if that didn’t work, lie, that was why parents would have to bring in doctors from out of State to testify in court cases. My wife’s eldest child had over 30 seizures from the DPT (later found in Children’s Hospital’s records), but at the time, she was told she was a nervous new mother and her dog just scared him.
      How many others are, and were, told the same type of thing?

      In 1970, the doctors said there was nothing wrong when my mother told the intake nurse that I had progressive pain in, and progressing up my forearms, less use of my hands over the previous weeks, and greater difficulty in breathing since the MMR booster. By September, I was in an oxygen tent, great birthday present for a five year old! In about 1996, almost verbatim to what my mother told the intake nurse was published a type of GBS (Guillain-Barre Syndrome) in Cambridge University Press: Disorders of the Nervous system – Reeves & Swenson, Chapter 23-Demyelination diseases of the nervous system. My mother didn’t use specific scientific & medical terms, she was just smart as a tack. I am NOT going to be mandated and subjected again to such torture! My parents trusted the government and our doctors. I do not.
      Also my job, first and foremost is to protect my son. And I will not let them do to him, what they did to me. In fact, I’m still suffering the consequences of what they did (in 1998 I was told I have active demyelination of the nerves in my brain, which was possibly causing mysterious seizures). That’s about 28 years after a certain political figure told my parents that this is “how we do business now”, I listened, but did not understand what those conversations meant, now I do. That’s exactly 28 years since my medical records showed no history of allergies or asthma, that was 28 years since unimaginable pain was induced in me with GBS, now almost 45 years since this all started, but I remember vividly.
      I have also included the following page that indicates that there are Senators out there that are willing to take away the freedoms of some out of an arrogance that they know better. I can guarantee, even though I trust my doctor’s educated experience, I will trust what I have studied over the last twenty years, and take into account my own thoughts and experience, which I will say can override a busy doctor who has not the time to do the same research.
      A friend of mine, ex-Mayor Larry Zollinger of South Dayton, New York used to say: “Follow the money”. He also told me: “If you had a guaranteed income of billions in profit per year, would you give it up for a few faceless kids?” The problem is Senator Ortt, I would give it up in a heartbeat. I had a friend in high school at West Seneca West in 1983 that had an older brother that was a thalidomide child.

      • JIMspins1958

        your reaction to vaccination is not the norm nor is it the majority….”protecting” your son from small pox, measles and polio by skipping the vaccination apparently is a gamble you are willing to take…..

        • Lefty2

          The gamble is a balancing act between the risks associated with getting vaccines and the risks of not getting vaccines. That choice is the exclusive right of the individual, or, if a minor, the parents.

          • northstate

            There is no choice; it is a legal requirement.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Lie. There is a choice, called “exemptions”. And even without choice, it is possible to avoid vaccinations.

            “Vaccination is a barbarous practice and one of the most fatal of all the delusions current in our time.

            Conscientious objectors to vaccination should stand alone, if need be, against the whole world, in defense of their conviction.”
            ― Mahatma Gandhi

            “At present, intelligent people do not have their children vaccinated, nor does the law now compel them to. The result is not, as the Jennerians prophesied, the extermination of the human race by smallpox; on the contrary, more people are now killed by vaccination than by smallpox.”
            ― George Bernard Shaw

          • VikingRN

            Hmm where did they get their medical degrees?

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Not in BarkingBN doggy style nursing school.

          • VikingRN

            Neither of them had any training in health care…….

            Feel free to attempt to disparage health professionals. As an aprn I have an ethical obligation to provide care based on evidence based practice guidelines.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            If I saw aprno like BarkingBS in veterinary clinic, I will not let her treat even a frog. She is medical caricature. Looks like nursing schools are now obedience schools, and graduates look and (not) think accordingly.

          • Hi VikingRN,
            Since you’re intelligent, you will get nowhere here, and there are a few others that seem to have a brain as well–a very few. I deleted all of my input, and I would get out while you can! Lol! I felt like I needed a shower!! I even unsubscribed…

          • Jonathan Brooks

            As a free person and not a slave to the medical profession I say go take a flying leap up Darwin’s rear, and stay out of my business. I do not need you or your experts to force me to fit your perfect medical world, where no disease exists unless there is a vaccine for it, and all children are happy and smiling and live forever.

          • CS

            You can be above the law just as soon as you and other antivaxxers find a way to never interact with another human. Public health standards apply to everybody for the good of everybody because you can’t avoid being part of the public. “our” experts are also your experts and assuming you know better than people who devoted their lives to the topics is asinine.

          • Jonathan Brooks

            You do not need a medical degree to read, schill. You do not need a medical degree to know that vaccines are not perfect, if the vaccine companies have to have an absolute protection from lawsuit, and a vaccine Court to deal with vaccine injuries, you vacuous child. Just a brain.

          • VikingRN

            No vaccines are not perfect but the risks for disease are much higher.

            The evidence favors vaccination.

            Just a hint using adjectives like shill,dolt and vacuous shows that you have nothing substantive to contribute to debate.

          • Katia

            Ghandi was a wonderful politician and leader, but no scientist. Shaw was a great playwright. Neither was a scientist. Both were victims of Dunning-Kruger.

          • Jon

            Back again to medical ethics: FIRST, Do No Harm; SECOND Informed consent. So much of what you purport to be “science” is fraudulent, some of it actually made up,someof it deliberately falsified, and in cahoots with assorted federal agencies.

          • Tak

            If it’s a “balancing act,” then it’s balancing a gnat against an elephant. The incidence of bad reactions from vaccines has definitively been shown to be vanishingly small, while you may perhaps notice that we no longer have polio or smallpox epidemics, to name just a couple of very serious and deadly diseases that have been eradicated by vaccines.

        • northstate

          And an illegal gamble at that. No school, public or private, up to and including university and state college admits students without proof of vaccination. This is long established public policy, with very rare exceptions, medical conditions requiring medical documentation. This whole hysterical nonsense was started by an on line crank.

        • Luvutah2

          Everyone responding to this post needs to FIRST do some homework. There is no “conspiracy” other than that Big Pharma and the US Gov’t have colluded to keep vaccines cheap and plentiful, and to indemnify doctors and drug companies from lawsuits if something goes awry. HOWEVER, because SO MANY different vaccines are given in combination (with literally SCORES of different live viruses)and repeated so many times because their effectiveness doesn’t last, and because neurotoxins like mercury and aluminum are STILL included in vaccines (to lower the costs of large-scale production), AND because NO testing (nada!) has been done on COMBINED vaccines, the CDC and Big Pharma and the US gov’t have been absolute LIARS (or idiots…take your pick) when they claim that “the science proves vaccines are safe”. Bullshit! There are other serious problems with the testing of vaccines. Check out these links and get some facts under your belt before you condemn thousands of at risk infants and children to chronic life-long health problems.https://www.youtube.com/watch?… and this documentary at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJGyN3gCsBg

        • Matibob

          You are mentally impaired to the degree that you can only accept the narrative fed to the dumbed down masses.

        • Jonathan Brooks

          How would you know, mickzzzzz? Are you a deity, knowing all, or are you just spewing the party line like a good statist. Has it ever occured toyou that people who make vast money from grants from Big Pharma are less scientist than mercenarys? Science is an ugly old hooker, and does not bear up to close examination. It is easy for a schill like you, who has never been hurt to ignore the people who have been.

      • northstate

        This is complete BS.

        • northstate

          Further, Thalidomide has no relationship to Salk vaccine. And, Thalidomide

          was used in Europe, never allowed in the U.S. So, your friend’s brother either was exposed in Europe, or the story is a lie.

          • Lefty2

            You have no idea what you are talking about. Millions of prescriptions of Thalidomide were filled in the U.S. in the early 60’s.

          • northstate

            No, they were not. Prescriptions for Thalidomide were illegal in the U.S. due to adverse results shown in Europe. The U.S. had a smart head of FDA; Thalidomide was banned in the U.S. There were never “millions” of prescriptions written in the U.S. No pharmacy would have filled them.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Actually, millions of tablets were distributed to doctors by Richardson -Merrell pharma company to hand out to women, but no prescriptions were filled, because the drug was not approved yet, and it is not known how many tablets were actually handed out. If not for Frances Kelsey, scientist in FDA that refused approval, it would be millions of pharma victims. But FDA changed- It is licking pharma and Monsanto boots Now Kelsey would not be hired by FDA, or would be fired very quickly, and toxic drug approved by someone else.
            With vaccines they are denying damage shamelessly.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            There were a handful of USA thalidomide cases from preliminary trials, but the overwhelming majority were in Europe.

            Did you know the last USA rubella epidemic resulted in more deformed babies than all of thalidomide worldwide?

          • northstate

            No, did not know that. One more reason to continue vaccinations, among many others. What I do know is Measles can be very serious, mumps can cause sterility in adult males, and polio was devastating; I grew up with kids crippled by polio. When Salk vaccine was available on sugar cubes, my daughter got one in Berkeley. She also got a smallpox vaccine, delivered on the arm. She got all infant vaccinations through the pediatric group I belonged to. She suffered no ill effects, nor did any other children I knew. Proof of vaccinations were required in kindergarten, later in high school, and most recently at Chico State. Somehow I had kept the little vaccination book, and she presented that.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            We have our kids’ books but the records were computerized years ago…

      • disqus_k3oycamN0W

        Doctors in US started to hand out thalidomide to pregnant women, anticipating FDA approval. In Europe, Canada and Australia, thousands were given thalidomide. It was only the courage of a young scientist from FDA that prevented a mass scale disaster in US. She almost lost her job resisting the pressure to put her signature on thalidomide approval. Even FDA admitted that it was only bacause thalidomide injuries were so obvious (absent limbs) that the drug was not approved. And the woman resister was even honored years later. When cause of injuries are less visible (like vaccines causing SIDS, autism, Alzheimers, autoimmune disease etc) – pharma will deny, deny, deny. (see trolls typing below and up)

        • northstate

          Thank you for the accurate history. I still remember the pictures of babies with stubs for arms and legs. The children were often kept in special homes, hidden from view.

    • disqus_k3oycamN0W

      I hope that you, pharma shill, will one day get Alzheimer’s from aluminum in vaccines, become infertile from Gardasil, or paralyzed from cocktail of toxic chemicals and contaminating viruses in all those vaccines. And no exemptions for you.
      Karma works wonders.

      • JIMspins1958

        and one day, you may come down with small pox at an elderly age and die….when the vaccine for cancer comes out, please don’t take up someone else’s spot in line….

        • disqus_k3oycamN0W

          I an unvaccinated and thus very healthy. And cancerous DNA and foreign (human and animal) proteins in vaccines are for you, repository of filth. You will stand in line for cancer (to get it through vaccines and other drugs), not me.

          • JIMspins1958

            I AM vaccinated and probably healthier than you…… I guess I’ll just have to pray to jesus to strike cancer down in it’s tracks……bwah-haha-hahaha

        • bsroon

          Umm – cancer always takes place in a low oxygen environment. It is a fermentation process essentially, because cells (in an attempt to survive without oxygen) require another fuel source, then must rely on the carbohydrates. Sugars.
          That is one reason why carbohydrates feed tumors. There is a loop between the tumor and the liver in which some specific forms of glucose/glycogen are consumed by the tumor, sent to the liver – where they are converted BACK into those same glucose/glycogens with any incoming food.
          This is why MOST people never die from cancer – but from cachexia – starving to death. The biochemistry is hijacked into just feeding the tumor to the exclusion of all else. The reason the cellular reproduction does not shut down is because when the cells become anaerobic, they lose mitochondrial function. That stops RNA/DNA replication – and THAT is where the “OFF” switch sits.
          Since cancer is not viral – disproven despite 30 billion $$$ plus – (yes, some may be triggered by viruses as one of the modalities of reaching intracellular low oxygen states) there will be no vaccine for cancer.
          You’d have lower cancer rates by prescribing Russian Roulette over chemo and vaccines, lol.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Cancer can be caused by viruses (as well as pesticides and industrial polluters). In fact, it IS caused by cancerous DNA in vaccines, up to 10 ng is officially allowed, but nobody checks. Read “Doctor Mary’s Monkey” – very eye opening book
            It is my comment above – deleted- because I mentioned vaccine-cancer connection (on top of vaccine-autism, vaccine- autoimmune disease connection)

          • bsroon

            i think of these viral incidents as triggers, but suspect that ultimately they cause cellular oxygen deprivation through hijacking the biochemical processes in the cells.
            Known triggers seem to be lack of oxygenation due to bad cell walls caused by too much hydrogenated fats – the phospholipids become deformed instead of “cis” shaped (like letter “C”) and thus allow intracellular materials to fall out of cells, increase the susceptibility to viral invasion, decrease oxygen absorption and in general decrease the functioning of cells. This in turn cascades into mitochondrial dysfunction, DNA/RNA replication issues, etc – end result can be cancers or apoptosis.
            Dr Warburg in studying sea cucumbers showed that a diet deficient in live enzymes increased hemoglobin size to the point that less oxygen was transferable from the blood into the cells. Cancer was a frequent result.
            Toxins are known to both build up and block oxygenation, and to disrupt cellular functions – sometimes resulting in cancers. The Trophoblast Thesis of cancer shows the cells to lack the “OFF”switch, and the cyanide compounds in the laetrile, amygdalin, bitter almond, yams, and so many more fresh foods – remain toxic only with the cancerous cells. With healthy cells, a superfamily of enzymes converts the cyanide compounds in these foods into a protein, which is then consumed as cellular food.

            With our current society, the toxic overload, the weakened defense systems, and the most toxic, least nutritious foods on the planet combine to increase the cancer rate to epidemic proportions. The so-called “health care system” of the USA has totally lost the war on cancer and cancer has reached epidemic proportions.
            Don’t forget – our planet is missing over a third of the oxygen it is supposed to produce in it’s healthy state due to petrochemicals, with an emphasis on AG chemicals/poisons in a misguided “solution” that simply increases all our AG problems.

          • CS

            If your cells have “walls” then you’re a plant. Which is weird because you seem to think you’re a sea cucumber, which is an animal. You also seem to think your body absorbs enzymes, which is just silly, and think the O2 percentage in the atmosphere is under 14%. Maybe you are a cucumber after all….still not sure on sea or land cucumber, though.

          • bsroon

            Eukaryotic cell walls are made of cellulose or chitins. Eubacterial cell walls are made of murein, a peptidoglycan. Technically, we now only call the membranes of bacteria “walls” and the human cells are enclosed by a membrane. Ooooh. That shoots down EVERYTHING you don’t like – that i didn’t get technical enough?
            As for enzymes, when the food we eat has “cooked” enzymes – about at 118 fahrenheit – the body must use it’s own metabolic enzymes to process the foods. Obviously less efficient and implies the possibility of enzyme imbalances from having to do so.
            Of course, the sea cucumber was what Dr Otto Warburg studied regarding the increased size of the hemoglobin. Amazing that you seem to think that ONLY (in the entire animal kingdom) the sea cucumber will have such a reaction. The basic biology of sea cucumber blood is duplicated in many organisms, but apparently you see some advantage in implying the effect will not happen to humans, or that the lack of live enzymes in sea cucumber diets will not ever translate into sensible principles regarding other animals. If you want to walk in that direction, then you may want to dump all fruit fly, guinea pig, mouse, rat, pig, monkey and other animal studies.

            As for the 14%, an intelligent person would have noted that the percentage was in reference to AIR INVERSIONS in the LA area. Duh. That changes things – in fact there are studies showing that during air inversions, people in that area can have over 40% of their red blood cells tied up with carbon monoxide. You’ll probably object to my stating that the fastest way to get rid of CO poisoning is to use ozone, as the reactive oxygen atom in O3 peels off the weak valence bond and attaches to the CO, making that become CO2 with O2 as the ozone breakdown. CO2 is simple for the body to discharge. O2 is breathed. Perfect solution. What’s your complaint there, lol.

          • CS

            Wait so even when you agree that you’re wrong you’re still right? You literally just agreed humans dont have cell walls. Plants (and bacteria and fungi etc) have cell walls In addition to membranes. The two are fundamentally different. We don’t “now call” them different, we’ve never called them the same things since science first distinguished them last century. You just agreed that your body breaks down enzymes, they aren’t absorbed in an active form that’s insane and not possibly based on known gastrointestinal processes, human intestinal enzymes, trypsin one example of many, break down all proteins, they’re not magically smart enough to identify what they are and spare certain ones. The magical leap to imbalances is so obtuse Escher couldn’t make it into a triangle. if the entire city of LA had 40% carboxyhemoglobin they’d all be unconcious and a large percentage would be dead. Maybe you’re going for 4% or 40% above normal or something but 40% as written is guaranteed wrong. I guess it might explain their traffic problems though. Nice attempt to sound smart, is there any other pseudoscience you’d like me to mock?

          • CS

            So you’re right even when you’re wrong? This should be fun. Here’s a list, in rough order.
            1. membranes and walls are fundamentally different and we’ve been calling them different things since they were first identified, it’s not new as you say and humans don’t have cell walls as you previously stated.
            2. your body breaks down all proteins indiscriminately with enzymes like trypsin. You do not absorb functioning enzymes on purpose as you seem to imply, prions are incredibly dangerous and an incredibly obvious example of why the body works hard to avoid absorbing functional proteins. Breaking them by fire or stomach acid is irrelevant.
            3. hemoglobin is a specific protein, it does not “change in size” in the sense of it having a different set of amino acids, they don’t change. sea cucumber hemoglobin “changes” in size because it functions as both a dimeric and tetrameric grouping of individual hemoglobin proteins. The tetrameric is the deoxy state, so it is “larger.” Human hemoglobin only works in tetramers (technically is will polymerize with some diseases but that is outside the scope of this).
            4. if 40% of a person’s hemoglobin was carboxyhemoglin, they’d be unconscious and well on their way to dying. I have no idea where you’re pulling that number from but something about it is guaranteed to be wrong if for no other reason than LA is still full of people.

    • bsroon

      WHOAH – you wacko! What makes you think it is a good idea to pretend the state has the authority to do whatever they want to do to your body. Next thing you know YOU will be on prozac or something because you have to. Idiot. The Calif and US constitution do NOT give them any rights in this arena.

      Your compliance (if you are not being a tool and fool of the self-annointed “elite” morons raking in the $$$ from your being a pincushion for them) is predicated upon two disproven assertions – that GETTING vaccinated STOPS you from getting infectious diseases, and conversely, NOT getting vaccinated makes you susceptible to infectious diseases.

      Good MORNING – since 2010, multiple whooping cough outbreaks have taken place, and MOST of the people getting sick ARE VACCINATED. Follow this simple thought process – if MOST of the sick people were vaccinated, the people NOT vaccinated had less chance of getting sick. Thus your premise is totally flawed. Is this a one-shot (ha-ha) deal?

      NO – most assuredly NOT. In 2014 the NY Measles outbreak had NINETY THREE PERCENT of the sick people get sick despite BEING VACCINATED!!!!!. In Ohio, the Mumps outbreak found NINETY SEVEN PERCENT of the sick people WERE VACCINATED!!!!

      That means if you weren’t vaccinated you had a 3% and 7% chance of getting that illness as opposed to those who got slammed. Not fatally or damaging i might add. The Disney Fantasy – nobody knows who the original carrier was. Nobody knows whether the people getting sick (only a few, nobody damaged, etc) were getting the VACCINE VIRUS – you DO know that it IS a LIVE VIRUS, and the insert says you can have reactions including measles, (all the MMR viruses are LIVE by the way) measles like symptoms and through neurological damage and death.

      This ignores statistics proving that your VACCINATED kid is FIVE X more likely to need hospital visits. Hmmm. This also ignores the FACT that the more you vaccinate for a disease, the more that disease shows up. Called the Canadian Syndrome at first, it is now found wherever you look, and one statistician, looking at the entire vaccinating planet, found that in every country – the most vaccinated disease has the highest disease occurrence, the second most vaccinated, the second highest disease occurrence, etc. In South Korea they started shooting people for chicken pox, and AS SOON AS THEY DID, their chicken pox occurrence shot up. So – they vaccinated more – and AGAIN the chicken pox rate went up. The now have about the highest compliance rate for chicken pox, 95%, and AGAIN, the chicken pox disease rate increased when they vaccinated more.

      Back to Disney – since nobody did Reverse Transcriptase Polymerase Chain Reaction testing – nobody knows if this outbreak was CAUSED by the vaccine virus – it has been proven to happen you know; the vaccine LIVE virus has caused outbreaks in not only the unvaccinated, but in the vaccinated children also. Hmmm. In fact the ONLY way that you can guarantee millions of live disease viruses being released is to vaccinate, where the “medical” term for the spreading of viruses is “shedding”. 2-3 WEEKS – and you shed SO MANY VIRUSES WHEN VACCINATED that you are not supposed to go near chemo patients or those with compromised immune systems BECAUSE YOUR VIRUS CAN KILL THEM!

      So, in your imagination (because of lack of tests) you pretend/assume that unvaccinated people spread one of the 27 measles viruses on these people when it is likely to have been the vaccine virus strain. 27 viruses – didn’t know that either, did you? Hmmm. Take a quick look around and tell me how many viruses you can count – that would be NONE. Thus neither you, any vaccinated person, or any unvaccinated person can intentionally avoid or contract these pathogens. Since there ARE non-vaccine strain pathogens floating in our planet – there is exactly as much likelihood that a vaccinated person can carry that disease into a susceptible community as an unvaccinated person doing so.

      Your pretense at science, and denigration of we who ACTUALLY THINK AND STUDY the issue is emotionally retarded, grossly inaccurate, an affront to intelligence, indicative of poor critical thinking skills (none exhibited) and an anti – constitutional enslavement of me and mine because YOU erroneously think YOU know more than others. You are a well played puppy, rolling over so someone can kick you in your balls.

      • Andrew Lazarus

        Your numbers are fictions. Moreover, they ignore the fact that the vast majority of the USA is vaccinated. So if, for example, we have a pertussis outbreak with a 60/40 split (that’s not a very effective vaccine), and 95% of the country is vaccinated, the 5% who are not are 40% of the sick. Big win for vaccines.

    • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

      Only problem with that is you need “Informed Consent” or it’s against The Nuremberg Code and AMA medical ethics. Ya know, Nazis experimented on innocent people too.

      • northstate

        And you are now equating the AMA with Nazis?

        • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

          If the shoe fits…

          • northstate

            OMG.

          • Jonathan Brooks

            If the Jackboot fits.

    • Luvutah2

      Yes, the polio vaccine was important and extremely helpful in eradicating that disease. But that’s NOT the issue today. Everyone responding to this post needs to FIRST do some homework. There is NO “conspiracy” other than that Big Pharma and the US Gov’t have colluded to keep vaccines cheap and plentiful, and to indemnify doctors and drug companies from lawsuits if something goes awry. HOWEVER, because SO MANY different vaccines are given in combination (with literally SCORES of different live viruses)and repeated so many times because their effectiveness doesn’t last, and because neurotoxins like mercury and aluminum are STILL included in vaccines (to lower the costs of large-scale production), AND because NO testing (nada!) has been done on COMBINED vaccines, the CDC and Big Pharma and the US gov’t have been absolute LIARS (or idiots…take your pick) when they claim that “the science proves vaccines are safe”. Bullshit! There are other serious problems with the testing of vaccines. Check out these links and get some facts under your belt before you condemn thousands of at risk infants and children to chronic life-long health problems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=11&v=MqWwhggnbyw and this documentary at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJGyN3gCsBg

    • disqus_k3oycamN0W

      Who put like on Tak’s rant – pharma troll galore!

    • Mark Talmont

      I wish it were that simple. Both my big brothers got it and one wound up with a “lazy eye” but other than that they emerged OK. Meanwhile if you look up the (suppressed) history of Dr. Ochsner you will discover there are some extremely powerful interests at work simply preventing the necessary research into these questions—they have succeeding in controlling the issue so there is no “other” side. Ochsner killed his own grandchild trying to prove the first batch of Salk vax was safe. This isn’t on his wikipedia page, nor will you find any links to the astonishing story of “Dr. Mary’s Monkey” explored in the book by that title. You can go look at the graphic evidence on line for free, see if you think it adds up–it sure looks like this thing goes directly to hideous germ warfare research that is tied to a number of other issues. Such as the case of Bernice Eddy who pointed out evidence of vax links to cancer–and had her lab immediately closed.

      There sure is a lot of cancer–and now they’re telling us “nothing you can do, it’s all genetics anyway”? So many loose ends, first the Genome Project was going to answer all questions, now the “junk” DNA looks like it’s anything but junk–sorry but there is a pattern of dismissal and deceit that goes back a long time.

      • Tak

        Confusing correlation (two things being observed at the same time) with causation (one thing being the cause of another) is a common logical fallacy that leads inevitably to wrong conclusions. Besides that, your sample size of two (2) is just a wee bit on the small side.

        As for the rest of it, these vast, global conspiracies that are supposed to be hiding some awful truth from the public stretch credibility to the point of ridiculosity (is that a word?), and frankly only happen in the movies. On the contrary, real-world science is exceptionally transparent. You collect your data, do your analysis, and publish the whole shebang for everyone else to critique.

        You might recall this whole myth started with Wakefield’s paper in the Lancet back in the 90s. After enough people got a chance to look at his data, it was discovered that he made it all up, committing fraud plain and simple. Zombie-like it trudges on however, devouring brains right and left, thanks to airhead celebrity endorsements and what has grown into a substantial cottage industry of bloggers, self-styled “experts” and outright quacks ready to sell their DVDs, fake supplements, self-published books, and expensive lecture tickets.

  • vicki trusselli

    Vaccinate your kids
    lame brain thinking people. Vaccinate

    • Cynddy

      Who died and made you God?

    • disqus_k3oycamN0W

      Vaccinate your kids, vicki. Someone should fill Bill Gates’s 15% population reduction quota. Bill will thank you. I am staying in 85%

      • JIMspins1958

        “I am staying 85% ignorant”……just go for 100%

        • disqus_k3oycamN0W

          Who is ignorant, you- vaccinated (brain damaged with mercury), or I , well informed and with clean unvaccinated blood?
          Keep vaccinating yourself into Alzheimer’s. And do not forget to eat GMO with helping of pesticides, and drink some diet soda with aspartame.

          • Matibob

            Unfiltered water will also assist in this process!

        • Matibob

          Actually you have hit the 100% level of ignorant.

    • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

      Vaccinate YOUR kids, leave other people’s kids alone!

      • Proponent

        Well.. I guess you could take a free ride courtesy of those that do vaccinate (herd immunity).. but.. isn’t that selfish behaviour?

        (Let alone.. if you have children, or, yourself for that matter.. dangerous behaviour.)

        • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

          No such thing as herd immunity. If a room full of people were vaccinated and one person had a disease, logically every vaccinated person would be immune. But many still get sick even being vaccinated with “immunity.”

          • Proponent

            Obvious troll is.. obvious.

            But.. by all means.. post something.. anything.. to back up your nonsense.

            Might be fun.. and good for a laugh..

          • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

            You bore me now vax troll…

          • Proponent

            And you represent nothing but.. mere tedium.

            At.. best.

            Enjoy your day.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Known internet pharma troll Proponent calls anti-vaccine person a troll. Funny

          • Proponent

            disqus_k3oycamN0W: “Not only vaccines are toxic, but they are useless too.”

            disqus_k3oycamN0W: “Now Ghandi (and all of us) are standing against sociopathic greed driven pharma/ population reduction bureaucrats.”

            disqus_k3oycamN0W: “Vaccinate your kids, vicki. Someone should fill Bill Gates’s 15% population reduction quota.”

            disqus_k3oycamN0W: “Is there any resistance movement against Bill Gates’ forced vaccinations and GMO in Africa? He said in interview that nurses go out and catch the children for his vaccines without any problem. Looks like nobody resists.”

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Since you are known pharma “sock puppet”, obviously hired by their PR department, I have a question for you : did your handlers assigned you to build dossier in me?
            The last quotation is very old. It definitely caught attention of your handlers months ago because it interfered with their politics in Africa, and now they supplied it to you.
            Tell those handlers that that they stink, and they will fall apart and rot the same way their soviet and nazi counterparts did. (you will rot too).

          • Andrew Lazarus

            That’s not logic; that’s the Nirvana Fallacy (everything not perfect is useless). The measles vaccine has a 2% to 5% failure rate. Seat belts sometimes fail. So do condoms. What conclusions should we draw? Not to use seat belts? Not to use condoms?

          • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

            If I don’t use seat belts or condoms, that’s MY decision and I will deal with the consequences.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            Yes, but with communicable diseases, you endanger others. And it is neither reasonable nor necessary to demand 100% efficacy; best effort will do. You evaded the issue.

          • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

            Good, I hope I get Ebola and spread it to everybody!

          • Jonathan Brooks

            Look Andrew, if you want to carry this out to the maximum point, why is the border open? Why do people with Ebola and other lethal disease get to dance into the US when there is NO vaccine to deal. You tiny MINDS GET YOUR COSMIC SHORTS IN A BUNCH , over childhood disease, but go “so what” when plague comes in the border door, and send its kids to your schools.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            Ebola, unlike measles, is quite hard to catch. Also, unlike measles, there isn’t (as I understand) a period where you are contagious but not yet symptomatic. Not that I think your question is really about facts.

            Children died of childhood diseases.

          • Katia

            If you don’t use condoms, you may cause another life to be brought into the world. That can be good or bad, depending on your POV. If you get in an accident and have head/limb injuries that a seat belt could have prevented, you will be a huge burden on society.

          • Katia

            “Many” meaning with measles, 2-3%.

  • Connie Smith Mendez

    No need to insult people who do not hold your opinion and Sharon is right – the adjuvants are of great concern today! These are things that do not belong in the human body. Do not cling so tightly to your opinion that you do not allow yourself to consider. and learn.. Big pharma is all about profits and does not care about the damage or death that may occur to some. Name calling and insults are childish.

  • Daveholio

    “Under this law, the only way for a child to attend public school without
    being vaccinated would be through a very difficult to get medical
    waiver.” Good! That’s the way it should be. I’m all for personal choice, but in the case of vaccines, the public health depends on some minimum level of vaccination in the population. Some kids cannot get vaccinated for medical reasons (such as allergies), and they need the kids around them vaccinated. Gullible and/or stupid people who take medical advice from celebrities should not be allowed to freely endanger the health of everyone they come in contact with.

    • Cynddy

      Well it seems these recent vaccine outbreaks have been among the vaccinated. It is the vaccinated who are a threat to the health of everyone else.

      • northstate

        WRONG; the outbreak came from non-vaccinated kids from the Philippines. Either you do not read the real news, or you are a liar.

        • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

          Half of those at Disneyland that got measles had MMR vaccine.

          • Proponent

            Arguing by assertions, only.. is just that.

            Assertions.. only.

            And.. not convincing.

            At.. all.

          • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

            Look it up!

          • Proponent

            You’re not doing this discussion thing right.

            A -gain.. fail.

          • northstate

            Where? Source? You are quoting from where?

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            You did not answer my question, pharma shill Proponent, about assignment from your handlers.
            And by the way, you have no wit , and your attempts at humor are pathetic. Mercury in the brain shows!

          • northstate

            Wrong again. Where did you read this? Or hear this?

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            It was Dr Humphries that analyzed reports. Out of 150 or so cases only 15 were children under 18 who were confirmed unvaccinated against measles. In fact ,it could be vaccine measles strain , but CDC definitely will hide this information.

          • northstate

            An important fact would be where these other vaccinated victims came from. Who is Dr. Humphries? Finally, the CDC does not hide information about public policy.

          • Matibob

            The CDC is a FOR PROFIT organization. Do you still wish to swallow the sludge they spew?

          • Andrew Lazarus

            The CDC is a FOR PROFIT organization

            Total nonsense. The CDC is a part of the USA government, which is not a for-profit institution. Let me guess, you also have a theory in which the IRS is not part of the government so you don’t have to pay income tax?!

            As a Berkeley alumnus, I find the thought you may be a classmate almost incredible.

          • Matibob

            You should do a little research before you run with that theory. It is, in fact, a for profit organization.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            And your evidence for this conspiracy theory? Wikipedia:

            The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is the leading national public health institute of the United States. The CDC is a federal agency under the Department of Health and Human Services and is headquartered in unincorporated DeKalb County, Georgia, a few miles northeast of the Atlanta city limits.

          • Matibob

            Try taking a look at Dun & Bradstreet. Sorry however this will actually take research on your part. I promise it is not too painful or overwhelming.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            Yes, Google told me that antivaxers somehow believe the fact the CDC (like many non-profits and government entities) has a Dun & Bradstreet number means it is a for-profit corporation. This is simply deluded, bordering on insane. It isn’t any more significant than the fact the CDC has a Fax number. [Links omitted, because the first version I posted several days ago had links that resulted in post going to moderation queue. Look for Dun & Bradstreet at about-dot-com.]

            Tax protestors believe that the gold fringe on a courtroom flag somehow means you are being tried under Admiralty Law. Fifty-fifty that Matibob believes that too.

            The Alternative Reality epistemology displayed here is one aspect of antivax theory (and its cousins Tax Protestor Sovereign Citizenship, Creationism, and Holocaust Denial) that fascinates me. They start with possession of knowledge the wicked mainstream has tried to conceal (CDC is for profit, courtroom is Admiralty jurisdiction) but that the evildoers are somehow required to admit in small symbols to which the initiateds’ investigations yield access.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Even if CDC is taxpayer-funded (11 billion down the drain every year) – it is definitely hugely profitable to those crooks who stuff their pockets with stolen money while doing fake studies. Check Poul Thorsen, CDC star scientist, now hiding from Interpol. And others from that cesspool is no better.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            One more damaged by Berkeley here! Looks like pharma looking to hire their shills from that Temple of Indoctrination. They know students there are brainwashed already, saves training time!

          • Matibob

            Check the achieves of the LA Times. It’s in there.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            OK, let’s do the math here. Let’s assume that you are right, although based on official statistics, that requires almost all of the unknown to really be vaccinated.

            That means the 5-9% of the population that is not vaccinated comprises half of the sick cohort. That, in turn, is a big win for vaccines. You have to look at the relative risk and with most of the population vaccinated, that means the unvaccinated were much, much more likely (at least 15 times as likely) to get sick. Details: Assume 50/50 split in the sick group and 95/5 in the general population. Then the relative risk is (50/5)/(50/95)=19. 19 times as likely to be sick!

          • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

            I got every childhood illness as a kid. Now I have life-long Natural Immunity with zero side-effects! So, if you want to…go Vaxx yourself!

          • Andrew Lazarus

            Glad you had zero side effects. Others were not so lucky. Although, seeing that elsewhere you post garbage like “You do the dirty work for The Talmudics & Zionist!”, you might want to check again for brain damage!

        • Matibob

          Said the commenter who refuses to do their own research lol! I am a medical professional and have actually taken the time to read the possible side effects on the vaccine inserts. When have you actually done this? It is obvious that you have not.

          • northstate

            What kind of medical professional? Did you get one of those bogus degrees in the Caribbean? Please tell us what kind of medical professional you are. If you are a Board Certified medical doctor, you would not be spouting medical nonsense.

          • Matibob

            Thanks for the comedy relief! Again, it MUST be that Berkeley education that is a fault lol!

          • northstate

            Again, what kind of medical professional are you? You claimed to be a medical professional. It is a simple question. What kind of medical professional are you, and where did you go to school? I actually graduated from UC Berkeley in 1960. Now, when did you graduate, and from what school? The answer isn’t to attack UC; the answer is your own credentials, what are they?

          • northstate

            What kind of medical professional? Where did you get a medical degree? Where I went to school is not relevant; I am not pretending to be a “medical professional”, you are. Simple question. What is your answer?

      • Daveholio

        “It is the vaccinated who are a threat to the health of everyone else. ”

        LOL

      • Andrew Lazarus

        Rubbish.

    • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

      Have you heard of vaccine shedding?

      • northstate

        Yes. Please give your source that vaccinated children in Disneyland contracted measles. The news sources I saw stated the children from the Philippines were not vaccinated; they were carriers. There were many children from Mexico, Central and South America where vaccination is mandated; they did not contract measles.

        • Matibob

          LOS ANGELES TIMES!!!! DO YOUR HOMEWORK PRIOR TO POSTING!!

          • northstate

            Officials say that many who have become ill were not vaccinated for
            measles. In the San Diego County cases alone, nine out of the 10 who
            fell ill did not get the measles vaccine.

            The
            measles vaccine was introduced in the U.S. in 1963, and for more than a
            decade the disease has been considered eliminated from the Western
            Hemisphere, meaning domestic transmission of the disease does not occur
            here. Measles has still been a problem when brought in by travelers from
            Western Europe and Southeast Asia, but the disease has been eventually
            extinguished by a ring of vaccinated people.

            But health officials
            have long expressed fears that progress against measles was threatened
            by a growing anti-vaccination movement in the United States, based on
            parents’ fears that the vaccine causes autism — a theory that has been
            thoroughly discredited by numerous scientific studies.

            Latest measles outbreak highlights a growing problem in California

            “The
            greatest threat to the U.S. vaccination program may now come from
            parents’ hesitancy to vaccinate their children,” Dr. Mark Grabowsky, a
            health official with the United Nations, wrote
            last year in the Journal of the American Medical Assn.-Pediatrics.
            “Although this so-called vaccine hesistancy has not become as widespread
            in the United States as it appears to have become in Europe, it is
            increasing.”

            “Many measles outbreaks can be traced to people
            refusing to be vaccinated; a recent large measles outbreak was
            attributable to a church advocating the refusal of measles vaccination.”

            cComments

            @dsfosteryyz The
            CDC is supportive of vaccines because what you wrote is all complete
            nonsense and is very much akin to screaming fire in a crowded theater.
            The simple fact is that when nearly everyone is vaccinated, measles
            basically disappeared. Now that people are skipping vaccinations at…
            StartupGuy
            at 4:51 PM January 19, 2015
            A Times analysis published last September reported that the rise in vaccine exemptions among kindergartners because of parents’ personal beliefs was most prominent in wealthy coastal and mountain communities.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            I realize that links in this forum result in moderation, but it would help if you were more specific about your source. The California Department of Public Health publishes the numbers, and for those whose vaccination status is determined in the Disney outbreak, the large majority are not vaccinated. Even if we (over-generously) put all of the unknown status as vaccinated, the unvaccinated were at least 10 times as likely to get sick.

  • EWD49

    EWD49

  • EWD49

    Decision makers need to become aware of the studies. I can be convinced either way, but show me the evidence. For example, I found the pneumonia vaccine and the polio vaccine have proven to be effective. The flu shot has no credible evidence to show it is more effective than a placebo.
    To survive in the present, we have to be skeptical. My grand children should get any vaccine proven to work. Show the studies to their parents; they can then make the right choice.
    Too many powerful people chose to remain ignorant of the real facts and resort to name calling and bullying tactics. How do we educate people whose minds are made up and don’t want to be confused with the facts.

    • Cynddy

      There are no studies that prove safety or effectiveness. That’s the whole point.

      • Reality022

        Yep, there are no studies about vaccine safety or effectiveness.

        Oh! Wait!
        ncbi(dot)nlm(dot)nih(dot)gov/pubmed?term=%28safety[Title]%29%20AND%20vaccine
        “Results: 1 to 20 of 3958”

        Readers should ask once again –
        Why do anti-vaccinationists constantly lie?

        • Cynddy

          When drug industry people do safety testing, they don’t use placebos. They use vaccines with the same or similar ingredients as the controls. No study has ever been done confirming the safety of multiple vaccines either.

  • Star

    the people who think vaccines are safe are probably the same ones who think GMO foods are safe, think the government cares about the American people and that police really are here to serve and protect. anyone who cant sort out the difference between what happened with vaccines 50-60 years ago and what is happening now probably think the Patriot Act is also a good thing. no point in trying to persuade these kind of people to see the truth. their minds have already been impacted by the foods they eat, the drugs and vaccines they take.

    • JIMspins1958

      you probably avoid elevators too just in case the cable might snap

      • Lefty2

        The relevant question is: whose choice is it to ride an elevator?

      • Star

        hey JIMspins1958! If I avoid elevators its because its healthier to take those stairs!

        • Matibob

          Truth be told, you are the chubby chaser.

    • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

      Don’t forget they love Chem-Trails in the air and Glyphosate in the water too!

      • They are not Chem-trails, they are con-trails, for condensaion trails…I know this because I am a pilot…and I have no idea why you think this is related except for the chemical in the water…

        • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

          How come I never saw con-trails as a kid? But now I see planes flying in a grid like pattern spewing something that takes hours to dissipate in the sky?

          • It depends on several factors–moisture content in the air at that particular altitude that that particular aircraft is flying, and also for noise abatement, airports will often periodically change flight patterns of aircraft, so there may have been times planes might not have been flying in your area, so everyone gets to share the noise! But depending where you live, there might not have been a major airport in your vicinity that supported heavy aircraft, or at that time your local airport may have only been a light traffic center.

          • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

            Hmmm, I don’t know. Seeing dozens of planes for several hours flying and spewing a “checkerboard” in the sky seems suspicious. Why would con-trails of moisture linger for hours and very slowly disperse and turn the sky hazy?

          • there’s always moisture content in the air, and traffic patterns do cross–nothing to worry about! and as travel increases, so will the con-trails!

          • Also, when they linger for long periods of time, there’s something called pressure gradient, which determines wind speed, on the ground and aloft. If they linger, the winds aloft are simply slower.

          • That is if the con-trails are aloft, re: my previous statement. They will drift in accordance to the windspeed at the altitude the craft is flying.

          • Mark Talmont

            The Altamont Pass area to the SW of SF is a high traffic area. Planes at similar altitudes can be observed, some making and trails and some not. I know about the FAA procedure for flying at different levels east/west but these can be seen going mulitidirections north/south too.

          • you are absolutely correct!

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Yea, yea, and Wikipedia says, “it’s just fog”. Well, there is interesting u tube, where someone filmed from a plane how nearby plane turns this “fog” on and off several times.
            And another plane forgot to turn this “fog” off when landing on a clear night. There was really whole cloud of fog!

          • fog is called moooiiiiissttuurrre, which is connnddeennnnssaatttiioonnn…. planes have no control over atmospheric moisture content in the air at any time. take a class re: meteorology. I’ve studied graduate level meteorology in addition to meteorology with re: to flying….I’d explain more but you probably wouldn’t understand it. Like SoBubba said, try the internet thingie…

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Very interesting condensation occured in your meteorology class, the one that can be turned on and off very spectacularly, and loaded in special tanks, and has high level of aluminum hydroxide and certain radioactive elements, and not allowed to talk about on air bases.
            But you probably do nor understand what aluminum hydroxide is, and what radioactivity is. Hint: it is different from your moooo

          • LOL!!! You must have acid reflux, because aluminum hydroxide is used as an antacid, and, gee willackers, I wonder what radiation is? Wow–really? Condensation cannot be turned on and off, and I can see you also don’t understand the difference between air density over land and water and that there are different types of fog…do you even know exactly where those pictures were taken? Maybe go to school and learn how all this works. It’s really cool! I am ending my conversation with you because I’m tiring of this. And by the way, I got my ticket on a military base, with military/airline pilots as my flight instructors and my ground instructor was a Vietnam, front-line chopper pilot–I do know what I’m talking about …please don’t contact me again. I’m done….

          • And by the way, I didn’t take just one class in meteorology, like you assume, and was only one or two classes shy of being able to become a meteorologist…

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            In your aluminum loaded mind condensation, and radiation, and acid reflux are all blended. into chemtrail. Repeat for special birds: It is not condensation, it is chemtrail mixture that pilot turns on and off, and it is videotaped from another plane, and also on the ground when pilot forgot to turn off this mixture before landing. People have cell phones with cameras now, ever heard about that? Makes it more difficult to lie.
            And many people also have eyes to see what is going on, not just mouth to swallow what instructor on a base said, downing it with a helping of antacid.
            Probably too much schooling, pilot- bird- meteorologist, expert on moooosssttuuurree

          • VikingRN

            I think you forgot to take your psychiatric medications today…..

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            BarkingBS strained mightily, and finally pooped medication joke.
            Better keep posting your pro-vaccine nonsense – copying and pasting cliches is the only thing your vaccinated brain can do .

          • Also, re: dissipation speed, that depends on wind speed at the altitude that craft is flying, and traffic patterns cross everywhere.

        • Leahh

          Chemtrails remain in the air a long time and contrails dissipate quickly. The skies are filled with chemtrails. Do some research for yourself. You should know this as a pilot.

          • SoBubba

            …unless, of course, they are being told bold-faced lies. I actually had a member of a flight crew tell me that chemtrails do not exist, to my face. Which is funny, because I thought it was just another word for “atmospheric aerosols” which are used to make clouds.

            If you want to educate yourself, use that internet thingie and read up on the rising levels of aluminum in the water/air/soil. That cannot be disputed or misinformationed away.

          • Hi SoBubba, I’m not sure, but you might be thinking of a process called “cloud seeding” which is done to increase the amount of moisture in the air for several reasons, nothing for evil-doing! LOL! One example might be to increase the level of moisture to create cloud formations to create rain over a forest fire, for instance….there are other similar reasons…

          • No, Leahh, you do some research–chemtrails do not exist…they are a conspiracy theory….I do know this as a pilot…

      • Matibob

        Haha! Rest assured the koolaid assisted commenters also utilize snopes regularly for their disinformation. The mere existence of this many ignorant suggest we are long overdue for a thinning of the herd!

    • RiverMikeRat

      Nice generalization Red Foreman victim.

      I know vaccines are safe but I’m not sure about GMO foods yet. Police are here to harass and ruin lives. The Patriot Act is horrendous.

      • Jon

        And pray tell, HOW do you know vaccines are safe? Do they have a list of ingredients on them, like food? Tellthat to the parents of healthy normal childfren who have died within hojrs of getting vaccines due to their barely developed immune systems. Mercury and formaldehyde are NOT vitamins, yet have been found in vaccines. Folks, there’s a lot to learn about these issues, and consider how many times the government has lied to us on important matters!

        • RiverMikeRat

          While any child dying for any reason is a tragedy, the number of children that suffer severe reactions to vaccines is less than microscopic.

          The things that are left to learn are to find ways to keep them as effective as they are but reduce the possibility of adverse reactions even more.

          Oh, and tell that to the parent of the kid that died from a preventable childhood illness because you were too selfish to vaccinate your kid.

          • Jon

            You say “While any child dying for any reason is a tragedy, the number of
            children that suffer severe reactions to vaccines is less than
            microscopic.” Yet the contrary is true if you pay attention to scientists who dare buck the “official narrative” in the spirit of Galileo and Tesla. Dr. Gary Null is cited in this thread, so give his perspective a try. He is extemely knowledgeable on a wide range of medical issues.

          • RiverMikeRat

            Thanks. I prefer sanity. The whole anti-vaxx argument has been thoroughly debunked for quite some time.

          • Jon

            Ha ha! I guess you have missed the debunking of your “debunking” friends by using honest science instead of the corrupt “science” promoted and financed by the giant pharmaceutical companies. Again, Dr. Gary Null s a good place to start. Also Dr. Joseph Mercola.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            JFTR, “Dr” Gary Null’s degree is from a diploma mill.

          • Mark Talmont

            It’s been at least 25 years since Null sat next to Arthur Ashe on “Tony Brown’s Journal” and said emphatically that he would not touch AZT. Ashe said he would follow doctor’s orders and was dead within the year. As was Kim Bergalis who was murdered after her psycho-gay dentist infected her and then she was given AZT.

            Null told OMNI magazine he had found a cluster of HIV pos men in NY who had apparently cleared themselves using natural medicine but he could not find anyone from the established institutions who would look at it. I have to say he’s on a short list of “told you sos” who have been around an long time and have been consistent about things the establishment has been wrapped around the axle over, like the statin drugs. The drug companies have done incalculable damage to people and to this day we don’t even have a labeling law that says we must be informed where those expensive pills were made! And they snark at supplements? Did supplements ever kill a bunch of people like the Heparin that was poisoned in China? The FDA could not even tell if this was by accident or design.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            Isn’t it interesting how conspiracy theories (antivax, AIDS denialism) cluster?

          • Mark Talmont

            How about ones that got infected because we let the whole world barge in unscreened? This was the (unpublicized) root of the Disneyland outbreak. On the other hand I understand China thermo-scans passengers getting off the plane.
            WERE there any deaths from this outbreak?

          • RiverMikeRat

            Um, coming from someone that knows personally, the requirements to enter a country from a specific country are usually pretty similar to the requirements to enter that specific country from the country in question.

            For example, I moved to Brazil recently, almost 3 years ago. No. Really. I did. I only had to pay for a visa and my ticket because that’s all the US gov’t requires. What it sounds like you’re saying is that you think the US out of all the countries in the world should require an immunization record, doctor’s note, or both, when letting someone come on a tourist visa? What about when the stupid Americans that don’t want to vaccinate travel abroad?

            I’m guessing that something was (unpublicized) because it was either untrue or irrelevant. As in: The fact that any children or people that were infected with and later came down with a preventable disease wouldn’t have done so if they protected themselves or their parents had protected them with vaccinations.

        • Mark Talmont

          I read “The Big Autism Cover-Up” and learned the particulars of the Wakefield controversy that were kept off US media. He never said don’t vaccinate, he advised to stagger doses at later ages and make sure and use the individual vaxs and not the MMR. The British government’s response to this was to take away the single dose option.

          The case of Mr. Deer who executed the hit piece on Wakefield is also questionable. If you plow through the criticisms used to take away his license they don’t even address the validity of the vax science, they were over his procedures. Deer has his own connections raising issues as to his objectivity.

          Vaccine Epidemic is the other book dealing with these issues that save for Amy Goodman on Democracy Now has been edited out of all media coverage. This issue has NOT been given an honest airing and characters like the ubiquitous Dr. Offit are permitted to opine that there is no actual increase in autism at all–“they used to be called nerdy and now they’re autistic”–try telling that to the special ed teachers who have been inundated with brain injured kids in the last couple decades.

          • Jon

            Thanks Mark for your additional informed comments. Corporate science is to real science as military justice is to legitimate justice. I see the word “sheeple” used to describe those who buy into government/corporate claims to the truth when that “truth” enhances their bottom financial line. As always, follow the money!

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Now Wakefield thinks all vaccinations are very damaging. I researched every one of them – one worse than another, all poisons

          • CS

            Wakefield was paid by lawyers to do his research and that conflict of interest was conveniently forgotten from any publication or talk or even blog post. You’re right that his lost license was on grounds of abusing mentally impaired patients to a barrage of invasive procedures for, as already pointed out, personal gain and notoriety. It’s odd you point that out specifically as a reason to trust him. His data was fabricated, and that was also in the statement issued when he was removed from the medical register.

    • Jonathan Brooks

      Star, you are correct. I have had repeated instances where the vaccine head also admitted they drink the flouride water, eat the GMO’s and take whatever shot they think is good. They are just that religious about SCIENCE, the new faith, and state worship.

  • Sam

    To Jonathan Brooks—Hats off to you—I could not have said it any better!!!!

  • disqus_k3oycamN0W

    Please sign the petition calling on California Senator Pan, who is pushing through this corrupted mandatory vaccination bill, to resign from his position due to conflict of interests

    https://www.change.org/p/richard-pan-we-call-on-california-state-senator-dr-richard-pan-to-resign-from-his-position-due-to-his-vested-interests-in-profiting-from-merck-glaxosmithkline-and-literally-dozens-of-pharmaceutical-companies-and-the-conflict-of-interest-this-causes

    • Reality022

      I emailed Sen. Pan to congratulate him and his colleagues on moving the bill through committee. I also included a few quick notes on some of the lies presented as testimony and documentation proving such.

      Is that good enough?

      • disqus_k3oycamN0W

        It would be good if Pan vaccinates pharmakoid Reality with Gardasil., and couple more, like Ebola and experimental HIV vaccine. I wish I could observe this pleasant sight. Unfortunately, he will not vaccinate himself , only plebeians like you ( he knows how filthy these vaccines are).

  • @jdslonina…This is in no way meant to be acrimonious, but, being older than you are, and being a DES baby myself, the culture back then I don’t believe was “deny, deny, deny” as much as I think they simply didn’t know as much as they do today–meaning doctors, not big pharma. And Tak is correct re: diseases such as polio–terrifying if you lived through that time. I remember those sugar cubes, and seeing lots of images/videos on tv of kids and adults in iron lungs. I had nightmares! I’ve known quite a few people who had polio before the vaccine was ever available, and one sibling was spending his life in an iron lung.
    Anyone denying the worth of vaccines have perhaps not known people with such diseases, and to say that you or someone definitely contracted something from a childhood vaccine is just not proveable, except in cases of possible in utero exposure to such drugs as thalidomide, etc., which was originally given as an anaesthesia, but then to pregnant women to help ward off nausea. Due to the worldwide tradegey of birthdefects that they soon were able to attribute to thalidomide, it was taken off the market by 1961–it was taken seriously. It is still used for leprosy and something else, but not to pregnant women.
    DES, though, was given not only to cattle to fatten them up artificially, it was given to women who had had multiple miscarriages, like my mother. By the time the daughters born to these mothers reached menses, there was a high instance of vaginal cancer, which both my sister and I luckily escaped, though I know someone who ended up with another type of gyn cancer later, and I’ve had my own host of gyn issues, that I’ve had multiple surgeries for, that they’ve attributed to my DES exposure. But at least no cancer! And back in the 1950’s, DES was also marketed under 100’s of names! And now the they are finding an increase in breast cancer in the sons born from in utero DES exposure. Though it was taken off the market for miscarriages, it was still okay for farmers to use for the meat industry for a while, and even after it was made illegal for that use, they were still finding farmers illegally using it in their cattle feed! I was a long time vegetarian by then–how about you? And I’ve even been vegan–non-GMO–for the last 5 years, too. And you worry about vaccines? Research what you eat, and what you put in your and your kids’ mouths every day–THAT should scare you! And if it’s not organic and GMO, you should be terrified. You want to do some research about what goes into your bodies? Try watching “King Corn” for starters and see how you feel about grilling up a few ears on the barbie for you and your family then, unless they’re organic/non-GMO! And you might see how differently you feel about eating anything that’s not organic/non-GMO! Yes, educate yourself about Monsanto, and now Dow, and GMO food before worrying about vaccines. And then watch “Last Call at the Oasis” by Jessica Yu about our water supply…vaccines will be your smallest worry and you’ll do it.
    You cannot get sick from a vaccine–the antibodies are dead. And if you do get sick, it’s rare, or something else is going on and it happened at the same time to be a coincidence, which is probably more likely the answer.
    I also had TB as a kid. In college and after I made several friends that not only had active cases, they had siblings that had it, too, and not all of them survived. It stays alive in this country because people don’t finish their meds, which you have to take for at least a year.
    And if you think measles isn’t fatal, check again. It most certainly can be. Plus, it can cause other things as blindness, encepholitis and pneumonia, which can be fatal itself. Is giving your child a vaccine not worth helping to prevent this, or not worth spreading this to other children because of your uneducated fears?
    And have any of you that are anti-vaccine watched commercials re: all the medications out there that you might be taking for your high blood pressure, heart issues, fibromyalgia, cholesterol, IBS, Chrones, etc.? Have you listened at the ending trailers re: the side effects, to hear the diseases most of them can (but may not!) lead to, such as dimentia/alzheimers, weird bleeding from some orifice, blindness, deafness, heart attack, stroke, death! And do you take those because you “trust your doctor”? And how many meds are out there, that maybe you have taken, only to be pulled off the market a few years later because of horrific side affects/deaths the FDA is just noticing??? I took Lyrica for my Fibromyalgia until I looked like the blueberry girl in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory! I gained almost 70 pounds!!!! I talked to my doctor, and she said it was the Lyrica, took me off it, and put me on something else, and it came off in 6 weeks–all water! The commercials for it USED to say “possible weight gain”…they now say “weight gain”.
    I think the biggest thing we have to fear out there now is 1) our food and water supply, and 2) not getting vaccinated. The diseases that were almost eradicated are coming back because of world travel, and you need to realize this. I remember my father, who grew up “dirt poor” on a farm even telling me about how terrified they were of the “dog days of summer”, which we love now because of a nice break in the weather, and because we were vaccinated! When he was a child in the ’20’s and ’30’s, they had to worry about losing most of their families from, I can’t remember which, but either yellow fever or rocky mountain spotted fever, among everything else during the rest of the year, when they had no vaccines.
    Someone mentioned a compromised immune system which they attributed to a vaccine–are you sure, and were your doctors back then positively sure, did they run tests, or were they just guessing? I, too, had a low immune system, but there was no way to blame vaccines. I just had a low immune system. Like I said before, vaccines are dead. Give them to your kid to protect us all.

    • disqus_k3oycamN0W

      Birdlover, you know about dangers of DES , drugs , and chemicals in food, but somehow you completely missed dangers of vaccines., which are chockfull of deadliest chemicals, animal and human proteins, and contaminating viruses, mycoplasma, fungi. Watch Gary Null documentaries on vaccines on utube, read “Dissolving illusions” by Dr Humphries, go on naturalnews website and search “vaccine dangers” or “SIDS”. Your eyes will pen. do not expect mainstream media to give you any information. There3 is a lot of research by independent universities in many countries, but it takes time and effort to find it.

  • Steven Michael Matrix

    As long as the vaccine manufacturers have immunity should anything go wrong, I then have to take FULL responsibility for the health of my children. Should anything go wrong with vaccination, it is purely my fault. As long as I am solely responsible for the health of my children, then I will make the only choices that keep them as safe as possible.

    Once you have a close relative affected by rouge vaccination, then your eyes will open. I had a perfectly healthy nephew one day and after vaccination fell into a coma. Yes, they were luckily compensated by the gov’t vaccination fund, but this kid (now a teenager) will be in a wheelchair the remainder of his life.

    No thank you vaccinations, until you prove more safety and culpability.

    • northstate

      Please provide documentation that your “close relative” went into a coma directly caused by a vaccination. There is no history of vaccinations causing comas. If your example had a very rare auto-immune disease, it would have been on record from his pediatrician.

      • Andrew Lazarus

        If the nephew was compensated by the Vaccine Court, then he either had a table injury, or some other illness for which he established likelihood by preponderance of the evidence. We laypeople use words like coma pretty loosely: he could certainly have had meningitis or encephalitis; very rare but possible. And he certainly either of those could result in coma.

    • disqus_k3oycamN0W

      Vaccinations will never prove their safety. In fact the ingredients pharma uses aare getting more filthy and dangerous every year, i.e. new Gardasil 9 has twice more toxic aluminum than initial killer Gardasil, and more viral particles. Pharma and doctors have immunity from vaccine death and injury lawsuits, why should they bother with safety?

  • Well Tak I agree with you, and I had a whole other discussion re: vaccines, but my post was taken down, so I guess this page censors what people write, so I will no longer contribute anything to this any more and unsuscribe if not all thoughts are valued here. Maybe because I mentioned Monsanto was a big no-no…so bye-bye…
    Vaccinate your kids for all of us….

  • Pamela S

    I am from Ohio. WE, in the rest of America hear about the deplorable steps undertaken regarding over use of vaccinations. It is obvious that it is affecting the school age children, our future.

    YOU CAN”T TELL ME THAT ALL OF THE OVER PRESCRIBED VACCINATIONS AREN’T RESPONSIBLE FOR AUTISM…..THEY ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Reality022

      Pamela, Pamela, Pamela…

      See what you’ve done?
      You’ve used up your entire daily allotment of CAPITAL LETTERS and exclamation marks all in one post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

  • Have you researched your food and water supply?

  • Proponent

    “This is one reason why Big Alterna practitioners have such a big presence on the web. They use blogs, Facebook, and comment sections of news stories to get their message across: in short; DO NOT TRUST TRADITIONAL
    DOCTORS. DO NOT TRUST EVIDENCE-BASED MEDICINE. This strategy is
    undeniably effective. It plays to the idea that YOU are just as knowledgeable about medicine as people who underwent decades of education. And perhaps you are, but most are not. It also fulfills the American desire to be subversive or to root for the underdog. But Big Alterna preys especially on the vulnerable–people who are desperate to lose weight; folks who have incurable diseases; parents who have had a bad experience in the “mainstream” medical arena for their children. What people do not seem to realize is that as they turn away from what they perceive as the corruption of Big Pharma, they are simply looking at the
    other side of the same billion- dollar coin.

    • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

      Which Big-Pharma company do you work for?

      • Proponent

        Which Big-Alterna company do you work for?

  • Star

    most of the comments seem to focus on whether a person believes that vaccines are harmful or not. including my own, below. this is a hot topic that, I think, tends to bring out the emotions which takes away from the real issue. THE PERSONAL RIGHT TO CHOOSE. I respect your right to poison yourself with vaccines but I think you should respect my right to keep myself and family clean of toxins. even the AMA says that treatment has to be with patient consent. what does forced vaccinations say for our freedoms to choose?

    • northstate

      Vaccinations are not considered to be treatment; they are preventative.

  • The Main Man

    I say good for Cali. Way to much fake science out there. I teach children and luckily my private school requires all kids be vaccinated, no exemptions. I’m here to educate children not watch them get sick and die or be crippled because someone with little to no education was misinformed. Pull your head out your ass and get your children vaccinated. Then again if you are that dumb maybe it’s best your children do die off, no need in passing on all those stupid genes.

    • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

      So Mr. Main Man Teacher, why are scientist saying that by 2025 1 of every 2 children will be autistic? What’s causing it smarty pants?

      • northstate

        Genetics? Or scientific claptrap?

        • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

          Like vaccination scientific claptrap?

      • Daveholio

        ” by 2025 1 of every 2 children will be autistic” is not being said by “scientists”, which I believe you meant. Your errant grammar was actually a more factual statement as it is one person saying this: Stephanie Seneff, PhD

        “What’s causing it smarty pants?” OMG. Are you serious? It really sounds like you only read the headline of that, because if you had read beyond the headline, you’d see she placed the blame on GMOs and glyphosate. “She noted that the side effects of autism closely mimic those of glyphosate toxicity, and presented data showing a remarkably consistent correlation between
        the use of Roundup on crops (and the creation of Roundup-ready GMO crop
        seeds) with rising rates of autism. Children with autism have
        biomarkers indicative of excessive glyphosate, including zinc and iron
        deficiency, low serum sulfate, seizures, and mitochondrial disorder.”

        Anti-vax troll MAJOR FAIL!

        • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

          Why did the CDC whistleblower say they know there is a link between vaccines and autism? Also, pro-vaxxer shill – why are you posting on Natural Health instead of Un-Natural Health?

          • Reality022

            Because he is ignorant of statistical analysis and wrong?

            – Who granted Thompson “whistleblower” status?
            – Why have we not heard from him since August 2014?
            – Why hasn’t the genius presented his own analysis of the data showing “The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism.”?

            Hints – no one, he has no facts to offer, he is incapable of such

        • Reality022

          Stephanie Seneff? The computer-science loon who’s claim to fame is developing failed voice recognition software? The loon who’s medical expertise is matched only by the developers of Dragon Naturally Speaking?… which is a success by the way.

          Yeah, that’s who I’d look to for medical advice – a crackpot computer programmer.

          • disqus_k3oycamN0W

            Loon and shill Reality, is calling smart person a loon, while typing her blabber all over Internet.

          • Reality022

            Aren’t you supposed to be hiding under the bed from the ChemTrails?

            Got your Aluminum foil beanie on to protect your brain cell from the Illuminati Microwave Mind Control Device?

  • Suzy Hayes

    Gee, an entire generation of ” Alpha & Beta Baby Boomers” did just fine with vaccines. Are humans becoming more whimpy as we “evolve”? Peanut, gluten, milk allergies, ADD, ADHA & on & on, zowee! Oh well, there are to many humans on the Planet anyway. Perhaps “vaccine avoidance” is one way to thin the herd.

    • TARDISOFGALLIFREY

      Another way is to take a vaccine laced with a miscarriage drug!

    • disqus_k3oycamN0W

      Take Gardasil, and the herd will be thinner by one. Great!

      • Reality022

        You mean one of the safest biologicals ever developed?

        Be honest with them –
        The way to get people to die is to convince them to willfully reject a vaccine that has an anti-cancer outcome like Gardasil. This strategy is particularly useful against those pesky females of the species which has the benefit of killing off the wellspring of future generations. It is a deceptively simple eugenics strategy that is currently being promoted by the anti-vaccine cult.

  • Star

    wow JIMspins1958. you’re not a very nice person. I’m actually a very petite person. do you often insult people you know nothing about?

    • Katia

      You anti-vaxers are such sensitive souls. You think nothing of blasting away at pro-vax people, but then you go whimpering around if you think you’ve been “insulted”.

      http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/01/27/quoth-katie-tietje-pro-vaxers-are-so-mean/

      “Pro-vaxers are so mean”

      • Tim Reihm

        Approve.

        • disqus_k3oycamN0W

          You approve her link to an article written by known pharma shill Davis Gorsky aka Orac? This Orac is directly connected to the infamous Offit for Profit ( who declared 10000 vaccines are safe for children, but refuses to take them , even though someone offered him $ million if he takes them publicly). Offit is Merck media personality, coordinating pro-vaccine paid shills for this vaccine manufacturer, and the one who approved his own flawed and useless Rotatec vaccine for use in children, earning countless millions (in his own words , it was like winning a lottery). What kind of moderator are you? You should resign from this site and move to work on mainstream media.

          And you deleted a number of my posts.
          What you are so scared of?

        • disqus_k3oycamN0W

          I know what you are scared of. I one of my deleted posts I mentioned cancerous DNA in vaccines.(in addition to numerous other toxins and viruses) It is there, but do not expect Merck’s paid shills to tell that. Big taboo.

  • Star

    rivermikerat…….vaccines arent safe. there’s plenty of children and adults who’ve been damaged by vaccines. including my son. From NaturalNews.com– It is a fundamental and non-debatable scientific truth that all vaccines have inherent health risks.
    The spectrum of harm varies widely, from small skin rashes to
    full-blown neurological damage and lifelong debilitation. Some children
    have even been killed by vaccines, and the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program has paid out nearly $3 billion to families of children who were provably injured by vaccines in America.

    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/049511_SB_277_vaccine_violence_medical_assault.html#ixzz3YkCWkUKS

    • Andrew Lazarus

      How does $3 billion over 25 years compare to losses from the diseases themselves. Why don’t you chew on that, and then get back to us?

      (Hint for the curious, $3 billion is less than we lost to disease just in year 1952, much less 25 years.)

  • mimi harris

    Whatacrock. I’ve been fighting against GMO’s and the Patriot Act since they came on the scene andamtired of you anti-vaccine zealots endangering the rest of us!

  • Proponent

    Fair-and-balanced.. and still applicable..

    Vaccination coverage in this region is generally high. As a result, vaccine-preventable childhood diseases like polio and measles have been absent in most countries for the past few decades. This has led to complacency toward the diseases and has unfortunately made vaccines, rather than the diseases, the focus of debate and discussion. Meanwhile, poorly-managed immunization campaigns in some countries have caused widespread mistrust of vaccines and government vaccination programs. Most countries have run sluggish, high-handed public communication campaigns while avoiding transparent dialogue with the public on possible side effects, coincidental adverse events and other safety issues. Moreover, when new vaccines have been introduced, they have often just exacerbated the public’s existing doubts, hesitations or outright resistance. Into this mix, rapid penetration of the internet in the region has provided a powerful, pervasive platform for anti-vaccine messages to be disseminated.”

    (Source: “Tracking anti-vaccination sentiment in Eastern European social media networks”

    http://www.unicef.org/ceecis/Tracking-anti-vaccination-sentiment-in-Eastern-European-social-media-networks.pdf )

  • Sandi Hornsby White

    I gave each Senate Committee Members a copy of The President’s Cancer Panel Report – 2008. It points out that our infants toddlers, and children are at high risk for being born with brain stem cancer or developing cancer within the first 18 months of life. Infants do not have a developed immune. It turns on coming down the birth canal. So, blasting infants with multiple vaccines with 63 different chemicals is causing “toxic overload”, the consequences are blown out nervous and immune system…..and death. Why vaccinate new born infants for sexually transmitted diseases and to guard against Hep B? This vaccine has a negative effect on infants. I sent an amendment to get them to give newborns antioxidants….and to s-p-a-c-e them …..one at a time. But, instead Senator showed up and went to sleep and passed forward the bill on the advise of lobbyist from the Medical Association and Drug Co. Merck does not test vaccine for carcinogens on purpose, so they cannot be sued. Congress has given them “immunity”. They are passing off failed chemo with cancerous dog cells and aborted fetuses as vaccines. Our infants get to be the guinea pigs for free. The State is wide open for lawsuits.

  • Proponent

    “Vaccination coverage in this region is generally high. As a result, vaccine-preventable childhood diseases like polio and measles have been absent in most countries for the past few decades. This has led to complacency toward the diseases and has unfortunately made vaccines, rather than the diseases, the focus of debate and discussion.”

    / This.

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  • Since I just received an email response from disqus…, I will respond, as this person seems to think I know nothing about any of the problems of vaccines, or have not done any research, and appears to think I’m a complete idiot re: the topic of vaccines. My response below, plus two more, were removed yesterday, so I unsubscribed, as I felt my opinions were being censored, and somehow one reappeared after I unsubscribed. Here is what I received after asking to no longer receive ANY more communications from this website, and I don’t appreciate the further communication after unsubscribing…
    “disqus_k3oycamN0W
    Birdlover, you know about dangers of DES , drugs , and chemicals in food, but somehow you completely missed dangers of vaccines., which are chockfull of deadliest chemicals, animal and human proteins, and contaminating viruses, mycoplasma, fungi. Watch Gary Null documentaries on vaccines on utube, read “Dissolving illusions” by Dr Humphries, go on naturalnews website and search “vaccine dangers” or “SIDS”. Your eyes will pen. do not expect mainstream media to give you any information. There3 is a lot of research by independent universities in many countries, but it takes time and effort to find it.
    11:35 a.m., Thursday April 30 | Other comments by disqus_k3oycamN0W”
    I am very knowledgeable about vaccines, but my response was to several anti-vaccination comments, to whom I wanted to have think about other things post-vaccination age that are going into your bodies that I believe to be much more harmful than they believe vaccines are.
    I also don’t think vaccinations to be dangerous, and, as with ANYTHING you put into your body, and thinking just medically right now, why do you think you sign waivers if anything goes wrong, or if you have a reaction to something during, let’s say, surgery? You sign a waiver because no one can predict a problem/reaction to any drug they may use during a procedure, just like with any prescriptions or with vaccinations. Did you really read what I was saying or trying to say, or did you just glance at it and make a snap judgement to snark at me with your apparent lack of knowledge?
    I’ve been in and out of doctors offices and hospitals my entire life, and could have written pages about what I know re: vaccines and Rx’s. You don’t seem to realize vaccines are dead and more often than not pose no danger. And if a child becomes ill, is there any way you can prove they were not exposed to something prior to being injected, or that maybe they were pre-disposed to something at that time any way? More than likely no without extensive testing, which would still be difficult to prove, unless exposure was in utero. And let me ask you, do you believe what big pharma wants you to believe that cancer rates are lowering? You do some research, and once you look into our food and water supply, and watch the the documentaries I suggested, you will probably realize, like what I was trying to get across, that there are more things out there that you put into your body that I think are much more dangerous than a vaccine. I’ve been a vegetarian since I was 19 and a vegan for the last 5 years, eating only organic/non-gmo foods–just so you know “Star”. And do you think vaccines are just blindly injected into your child without the same plethora of warnings that come with regular Rx’s? If so, then you’re not paying attention? Do you take prescriptions? Do you own a PDR and really look them up to see if you want to take them? I always had a PDR, because my father, who worked for the largest international pharmaceutical report for 43 years always made sure I had one every year. So do I have knowledge about drugs, foods, cosmetics, vaccines, medical devices and diagnostics, implants etc.? Yeah, I think I do! I started having my eyes opened when I was about 4 about this stuff, and my father knew about drugs being tested, put on/taken off the market, and why etc., before the press releases, as well as about carcinogenic foods and spices, etc., before I was born. I always remember him coming home and sometimes heading straight for the kitchen before he even said hello, opening up cabinets to throw half the stuff in it into the trash can because it was discovered they caused cancer. How much attention have you paid to that, what’s going into cattle, if you’re a carnivore, the waste from which also contributes to the toxic ruination of our water supply from the pesticides that are not only in their food, but then in your food whether you like it or not, because they’ve injested it. Have you researched what you have eaten while pregnant? I even worked at my father’s office twice. So you think I need MY eyes opened and need to do research? Guess again sweetheart. And I only mentioned DES because the one commenter mentioned his friend/brother being a thalidomide baby…he wasn’t given the drug, his mother was while pregnant with him. So why don’t you go onto a real website, like perhaps NIH’s re: vaccines and their safety, to get statistics you can probably trust a little more than the ones you quoted. The worst dangers seem to be failure to vaccinate and vaccination failure. The link to autism has been “debunked”. Plus, in one article I read, where the author discussed the use of mercury in vaccines as a preservative when they were originally created, even long after knowing it was toxic, it did not become a topic of discussion re: it’s danger and autism until the 1990’s, and why the wait? I’m sure everyone commenting here had these vaccines, and I know one person mentioned believing he contracted auto immune disease from his–well, that’s addressed by NIH as well, so you both can look that one up.
    And if you eat fish, such as salmon for example, that has long been known to contain mercury–farmed or fresh water, do you eat it?…so where was your exposure really from, and did you eat it while pregnant, and did/do you feed it to your kids? I can go on and on, but I would suggest going onto some NIH research websites, maybe a few Mayo Clinic ones, etc., which have very good articles re: this controversy, and it’s complexity.
    It is my opinion that some people would like to blame vaccines/Rx’s, when they fail to see what we have done to our food and water supply, and when we ingest food that is not organic or GMO, they don’t see the importance of how that is really affecting your body as well, especially while pregnant, and then they want to make it a black and white subject and put blame on vaccines. I think it’s more complicated than that. Plus, before you were born, what other chemicals were your parents exposed to that are now on the OSHA bad-boy list, and could those exposures have affected your children or us, and how/how much? Go to websites such as EWG–Environmental Working Group, and see how pestices affect the level of toxicity in certain foods. You may think you are eaiting right, but if you’re not eating organic and non-GMO you may be eating the equivalent to a piece of paper with pesticie sprayed on it. Now think how delicate the bodily system of a child is. Now read why people want their food labeled. This is a very complicated, but I think related subject, and it’s all intertwined. This isn’t just a matter of vaccine safety–I believe it has to do with everything you put onto or into your body. Think about all the stuff your parents used to use around the house without question, even just for cleaning, that are now taken off the market due to their toxicity. But you want to blame all a child’s health problems on their vaccines? Wow…whose eyes need opening? Our water supply is so messed up, that from simply urinating, there is so much estrogen and viagra/cialis in the water, these chemicals can never be removed, and unless you filter your water, you’re exposing yourself to it daily from tap water. And people wonder why girls are now developing at around 7-9 years old (in every way) and young boys are developing breasts, and lawyers are trying to sue a drug company over that (breat develpment in boys). I can’t believe they aren’t testing the estrogen levels in the water of these kids…
    So, my point is, I think this is a very complicated subject, and you need to make sure you’re doing your research in the right places, and make sure you’re not reading propaganda.

    • northstate

      Either stop posting novellas, or get an editor.

      • I didn’t ask you to read it. I unsuscribed yesterday, and was mad because they are still including me in this ridiculous discussion. But I guess I should be honored to be among such perfect people as yourself. I’m trying to get off this since yesterday, so leave me alone or I’ll start reporting people who continue to contact me….People, includining yourself, need to do some real research at real websites–this is really dumbing down….At least I’ve been civil, which I can’t say of most people commenting here, including yourself.

      • I didn’t ask you to read it. I unsuscribed yesterday, and was mad because they are still including me in this ridiculous discussion. But I guess I should be honored to be among such perfect people as yourself. I’m trying to get off this since yesterday, so leave me alone or I’ll start reporting people who continue to contact me….People, includining yourself, need to do some real research at real websites–this is really dumbing down….At least I’ve been civil, which I can’t say of most people commenting here, including yourself.

  • Tim, neither of my remarks were discourteous, used foul language, were abusive in any way, were uncivil, included personal attacks, etc., yet all three of my comments were immediately removed. However I see below several that are all of these, that remain. That is why I felt censored, and why I unsubscribed from everything, but somehow I received just a while ago, a comment to one of my comments from yesterday, which magically reappeared. I don’t think my opinions were off topic as I think vaccinations, our food and water supply are all inter-connected, yet people, I believe, want to think vaccines are at the root of all their children’s illnesses.
    Now, tell me Tim, why comments regarding getting someone with a fat butt on an elevator are relevant, not considered offensive, and still posted?

  • Star

    The sad part, Johathan, is that those who follow the mainstream science are following the wrong science. They are either paid by mainstream science, or they are too lazy to do the real research. Or, they are unwilling to accept the terrible facts of what vaccines actually do to many. It should still come down to freedom of choice as far as I’m concerned. I chose many years ago to not get the flu shot. I’ve never gotten the flu. And even though more people die from the flu shot than die from the flu, people still want to listen to the government that says GET A FLU SHOT. So I should be forced to take the long list of vaccines even though I dont need them??? Why? Its all about money. Big Pharma doesnt really care about the people. They care about money. I’m part of the 98%. I dont care to support Big Pharma.

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