What does a student of coding do in this situation.I like the idea of MD’s using the ABA codes suggested here. Where doIi learn about them so that I can educate my future employers about such payment alternatives?

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The medical doctor gets the patient for some complaint chiropractic is known to be far more effective for (there are mountains of research that prove how effective and less expensive chiropractic is). But, the MD gets the patient, irradiates him ’til he glows, orders Non-steroidal Anti-inflammatories, pain pills and other things that interfere with healing, sends him to PhysioTher for about four months or until the insurance company starts to get antsy that this patient is a chronic pain patient. Then the patient starts to get disgusted with the pain and costs, and walks out. By this time the patient has a problem that at one time could have been healed quickly and easily.

But now, the tissues around the injury have healed up and formed scar tissues around the injury (locking it in position like an internal cast), bones have changed their configuration, nerves have become chronically hyper-irritated, the patient is discouraged (worried he’s now doomed to the life of an invalid) and he’s got insomnia due to pain. The insomnia makes him confused, more irritable, impossible to live with (so he feels guilty too), depressed and frustrated. So, he’s right on top of his world.

He goes to a chiropractor or other healer who might be able to really undo what the MD did and fix him – in about 18 months (because of the abuse received at the MD’s hands). The insurer gives chiropractic about twelve visits and cuts the patient off – just about the time he was beginning to feel better, though he’s not out of the woods. Because, remember, the MD did not do what needed to be done (because of medical traditions) and the patient’s body healed in a mess and in a couple years the patient will begin to beat apath from his hous to the MD office for organic and pain problems emanating from the spinal injury that, at one time, could have been fixxed in a month or so without any sequellae.

For his trouble dealing with the insurer the chiropractor will get his bills cut, some care he rendered refused and – at some future point – an audit with a demand to pay back a bunch.

So, why DO you buy insurance?

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We’re in a hopeless mess until we get rid of the system that requires a “diagnosis of disease” coding number on the bill before care/payment can proceed.

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His problem is that he is perfectly happy with doing what he does, the way he has always done it, even knowing that the things he presently does are marginally effective or even (in many cases) deleterious to the well-being of his patients. But, he’s able to keep his nose above water (so far) and hopes that Bomb’Rcare will keep his biscuits out of the soup – regardless what it does to ours. We’re going to end up subsidizing the AMA fatties and health insurance companies. (The government will never be able to manage the health problems of a nation that stretches from Point Barrow (AK) to the Florida Keys, from Kauai (HI) to Eastport (MA), from the top of Denali to the bottom of Death Valley and everybody in between. Add to that the difficulties organizing about 111 new bureaucracies that will have to fight among themselves over heirarchies, funding and government salaries, bonuses and pensions taken from a decreasingly profitable private sector.) If Doctor Tom thinks he’s got problems now …HAH!!!

He is reticent to investigate or learn about what might be out there in the integrative medicine and natural health care fields – even if incorporating some of it in his protocols happens to make him a better doctor. Actually, he’s probably scared to death that what he learned in medical school, internship and specialty rotations wil never finish paying his educational loans. But never fear, the Prez has already said those will be forgiven if the Doc pledges to vote the Obamacrats. (We’ll get that privilege – and bill.)

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When a patient is unwell and consults an MD, that MD will ask himself what of his packaged illnesses he can call it. Is there any attempt to diagnose? Labels replace diagnosis.

The doc quickly goes through the bodily systems looking for red flags. If none pops up, the patient is declared well. This is medical education. What would that be worth in a free market? The OV cost for these five minutes is $200 where I live.. I

The patient will not leave empty-handed. He will leave with drug prescriptions that will hide the symptoms. Cause or origin of illness is simply not a concern. The patient may have paid a lot for no diagnosis or treatment of the real problem, but it gets worse. The prescriptions may cause further illness. That illness will be denied.

Is this mal-prescribing .going to be exposed? It has little chance. The illnesses produced by modern medicine last far longer than the Statutes of Limitations. This is not just a hunch. It happened to me. I am in contact with other victims of similar treatment.. Anyone who is bedridden, in multiple kinds of pain, perhaps having seizures, is too incapacitated and isolated to bring the MD to justice.

There is more. Any MD who offers a wider scope of practice and does not use drugs as sole treatment may lose license to practice. I saw this two times. I know two other docs who fear that this will happen to them. Responsible practice can spell the end of a medical career.

Last is this. I did get records to evaluate my cases anyway. Some pages were missing. Other entries had been altered.
Consumer, beware..

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When a patient has an illness and consults an MD, that patient thinks that the doc is going to find out what is wrong and then offer relevant treatment for the CAUSE. What really happens is that the doc asks himself:”Which of my preconceived conditions can I fit this illness into? Ask a doc. What they do is go through the bodily systems and check of each one as okay or not. If no system has red-flags, the patient is declared well. This absurd quickie is taught in med school. This is what you pay these huge sums for?

But you will not leave that five-minute encounter with nothing. You will leave with prescriptions for drugs to mask your symptoms. How many of these prescriptions are written to generate kick backs for the doc?

I have nerve damage from MD treatment. I spent over a year

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But Alternative health care doesn’t play that game. It doesn’t have big lobbyists for starters. Alternative medicine is honest, non-toxic health care and allows people to get better from natural approaches. It’s about getting better. not sicker.

Further, alternative medicine doesn’t have dirtty hands. It doesn’t have big companies whose roots can be traced back to manufacturtibng xyclon B (if I remember correctly) – a poison gas that Nazis used to gas millions, and that later became a big well-known pharm company.

Check out Alex Jones – prisonplanet.com and his other site to get the real scoop on the scarey history of many of these pharm companies. Or bettter still, here ihim on shortwave radio.

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Thank you for a absolutely well written comment.

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First: There are many doctors who have practices without accepting ANY medical insurances and they do VERY well. People with or without money, or with or without insurance – all become ill. You need to become less fearful and more trusting of those forces that create with us.

Second: You seem to minimize the situation into “winning a point.” The real point is that this is no game to us the patients, the sick, the ones paying hundreds or thousands of dollars a month to be covered for “in case” we become seriously ill, or have an accident which will be the true reasons for insurance – because otherwise that same money would cover more than our few yearly illnesses (and there you have your paying customers) and we would have plenty left over to enjoy on other things or better spend on other bills…. and here is where the real point expands. Insurance is a construct invented by corporate man to gain profit. Period. The sole reason for the creation of insurance is to create a business to take advantage of an opportunity – an opportunity foreseen from the lucrative prospects that millions of sick people would create and that fear and insecurity over Unforeseen tragedy would promulgate – to make profits ….and profit they have– by the BILLIONS. And in making that profit, they have been allowed to milk our sicknesses by creating a system that INSURES and assures THEM with perpetual profit by limiting OUR FULL access to medical procedures and ethical medical evaluations that may determine the cause and treatment of our illness in an effective and timely manner, and as this window of time stays wide open, so too their pockets with billions of monthly remittance of claimless but paid premiums. To the point: Delaying our diagnoses creates for them more profits in not having to pay claims for diagnostic procedures, doctor visits, prescriptions, therapy, etc., during that delayed but insured time. And now the government has joined in on the game – why else was it so unanimously coveted by politicians?

The shame that I find, is that millions of DOCTORS – without which there would be no insurance companies – have sold themselves to this travesty of a system, as the insurance companies are the ones calling the shots as to whether a sick person gets the care their illness requires – from the amount of time a doctor spends with a patient to FIND OUT what is wrong with them, to the diagnostic procedures needed to efficiently and quickly DETERMINE the needs, to even the number of visits ALLOWED (allowed – can you believe that?!!) for any illness, or SEQUENCE of protocols to follow. Anyone, and the only ones who truly learn the system, who has suffered through a chronic illness learns this. An example is (and this is just one of many): I was told by a doctor to go change my insurance, because she had to follow an insurance protocol that required her to give me a drug for acid reflux that would make osteoporosis worse, so I refused it because I told her I have osteoporosis, yet she could not do anything else unless that step was attempted first to see if that drug helped the condition – because she said otherwise she would not be paid (?!!!!). Now how insane is this? Give a drug for a particular condition that worsens another particular condition, without a guarantee that the condition being treated would be resolved within a year – without even an investigation to determine whether the condition assessed in one minute is truly the root of the problem (I had other severe symptoms that were ignored AND a history of stomach and intestinal cancer in my immediate family, and aged 51)?? What happened to “First no harm”? And this coming from so-called medical professionals who consider themselves scientists, who claim to want to heal people??? With this implication, if I were a doctor my conscience would not allow me to even accept such a proposition from an insurance company, for the patient would be better off without it. Well… I’ve got news for her though… and doctors….and all patients…. I still have not assessed the root of the problem, due largely because I do not have access to that ABC coding… but I have gotten 90% better (to be more graphic: I can now leave the house without urinating on myself from the chronic hacking cough, while purging for 8 hours over the toilet seat) by changing my diet to mainly a vegetarian one and taking various herbs and supplements, and doing intestinal cleansing, and trying to eliminate all artificial substances. So thank God for those doctors who don’t walk the beaten path and are willing to share via the Internet.

Again the point: That all you millions of doctors have accepted your education, your discernment, your ethics, your comprehension of healing, of humanity, being manipulated and controlled by a FEW controlling the hording and self-serving insurance construct of corporate man. And who made this coding contract with the government again? Re-read the article… why your AMA did! The same few who are controlling and manipulating all you millions of doctors…controlling innovation… controlling truth… controlling the status quo through peer-shaming… hey… controlling intrinsic contemplative thought – the foundation of discovery! Hmmmm….wasn’t the now powerful AMA created by a few doctors at the turn of the century creating procedures and protocols for the sheep-doctorlings to follow? I am so sure you can think of things to change just from your experience in residency…unless they succeeded in making you another automaton. But why have you all been so quiet and complacent all these decades….would benefitting from this system have something to do with the silence? It seems to me that it certainly does for them, given how much stake the pharmaceuticals have on your education (the millions they donate to Universities?)…oh, another controller?
Now that’s not just a point anymore – that’s a Big Black Life Sucking Hole.

Third: Do you understand even the point of ABC coding? Of course not, the few we unmasked earlier have made sure you don’t… especially the ones who have donated. Take my own example earlier…that example is the reason I no longer go to a allopathic doctor, most of the time you can’t do anything for me (this out of years of experience) or you won’t. Many years ago I lost 10 years of my youth on a chronic unidentified illness (now called fibromyalgia) where nothing was done for me – leaving me dumbfounded and disillusioned with a medical science I was entrained to believe had a handle on leading edge technology and knowledge. The devastating part, the culprit in them labeling me depressed, was that they were not even interested in investigating what was wrong with me, as I discovered that the actual handle they had on medicine was on existing labels – for no new possibilities existed besides these pre-accepted lists of labels. One was simply not allowed to have any other. A monopoly on disease? Now, was this our revered expanded Hominid modern consciousness?
What about my chronic illness….? After 10 years of searching I did find healing….. through holistic (natural ) medicine and methods, which gave those 10 years + back to me within just 2 years with an immediate improvement within just the first 3 months. The doctor? A neurologist turned natural physician and an applied kineseologist chiropractor… Detox and internal cleansing. Building up of the endocrine system. Nervous system and organ system stimulation and adjusting energy meridians through chiropractic (recent studies demonstrate that these meridian pathways run through the body’s whole fascia system – a wonder why we experience muscle exhaustion and pain?). Building up the depleted body with vitamins and minerals and a natural diet upon which we are genetically dependent, as the cosmic beings (Big Bang?) we are, born from and upon this Earth to feed from. The ABC codes definitely need expansion in the light of my experience and the experience of the millions who are evidenced by the grown and growing billion dollar industry of supplements, and turning to “alternative” practitioners and modalities that are RESOLVING our problems – including cancer! THERE are your customers. (Did you know there is a serum that cures 200 types of cancers, but that endeavor was abandoned by medicine because the natural ingredients could not be patented. Find a Naturopathic Physician to explain that to you.) With just the implementation of these codes there will be an influx of patients, as we need your diagnostic tools and a variety of modalities for an accelerated recovery in this area of healing arts.

The question is: What exactly is the goal, intent, and purpose of medical science, and the AMA??
Healing doesn’t seem to be one of them.

What have you chosen?

Again, insurances, institutions, boards… are MAN-MADE-CONSTRUCTS. They are NOT absolutes. They are NOT required in reality, nor in and of themselves. WE have allowed them to be and grow like weeds – in the meantime the few grow rich from our tragedies – literally controlling our lives. We convert them from concepts to concrete, imbedding them as fixed structures and architectures into every facet of our lives, forgetting they were initiated to serve US, NOT to enslave us.

The millions of doctors should ban together and strike in the name of ethics… in the name of humanity… to put a stop to this insanity – see what results we’ll have then. This must be done in one sweep to get immediate and permanent results. What do we have to lose – we are ill and dying anyway! Imagine what power – the millions of you against the few of them. You have allowed AMA and the insurance industry to dictate to you like puppets, robbing your trusting patients of their well being and future – and robbing YOU of your hard work and intrinsic cognitive ability to create better circumstances. No construct that undermines the well being of humanity should be allowed to exist. Better yet….the millions of patients should pool their premiums together… hey, just like insurances….see how much more we can get accomplished with our profits (from investing). If someone has the fearlessness and resources to initiate all this – good-bye AMA , FDA, CDC, EPA as we know it! You have my support.
Wake up! All of you.

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CHRONIC problems are almost NEVER helped by putting POISONS into a patient. Putting POISONS into a chronically ill patient is the standard of medical care. Education of the patient in nutrition, prevention, and the true risks of allopathy is almost NEVER given as care.

The public has to understand this and HAS to reject it. Allopathic medicine HAS to be rejected by the patient IMO for 95% of his problems. It takes an informed patient to know the 5% of the medical problems to trust to allopathy.

The patient has an IMMENSE responsibility he MUST not expect to be given a pill for MOST health problems to include CVD, Cancer, HBP, joint pain and headaches.

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I propose a new designation for sold out politicos. ie. Senator Trent Lott NWO 77%

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Now, I also take a wide range of homeopathic supplements and many of the ailments that used to afflict me no longer do. I believe in proactive rather than reactive health care. Actually, the so called health care system that we depend on for our health is actually a “sickness care system.” Very few allopathic doctors provide information about how we can proactively take care of our health. They provide “bandages” for sickness because that’s how they make a living. They need to see patients frequently. Healthy people don’t earn them a salary.

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I have no desire to be attended by an allopathic physician; allopathy, or conventional medicine, is not traditional medicine, which is the only way to truly heal. Yet many who have taken the hypocratic oath are also involved in trying to regulate the sale of herbs and homeopathic remedies because they don’t really care if people heal — they’re just interested in their bottom-line.

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It’s also not true that alternative medicine is “completely squeezed out” by the CPT codes. There are codes for acupuncture and chiropractic. There are also evaluation and management codes that can be used for office visits, irrespective of the type of treatment.

What IS true is that many types of treatment are left out of the CPT codes. There is actually an international effort going on with WHO to remedy this.

The ABC codes are a great idea, but since at this point very few insurers accept them, they haven’t solved the problem so far.

Refusing to accept insurance accomplishes little except to make our services less accessible to patients. For low-income patients this can be crucial.

Elene Gusch
Doctor of Oriental Medicine

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Natural medicine is cheaper and safer than the FDA-approved pharmaceuticals which I call ‘poison pills.”

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Retired Senator Trent Lott is probably surprised that he was a Democrat. He always claimed to be a Republican.

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The answer is simplicity itself, open up the health care market to COMPETITION.

If a doctor can successfully treat cancer with baking soda let him. Chemo, which costs 10,000 to 15,000 per month, kills 98% of those treated. Can baking soda do worse? It sure costs less.

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